Hmm Interesting… Yea from Chase video he said he had no BG issues either. Which seems to be everyones main concern due to it being a “long acting” GH.

Guess just wait a little longer like JP said and see how things turn out

Appreciate the reply JP, Trust me I feel the same way about any Pharma company. All they care about is money not the peoples wellbeing… Remember covid, all the bs with those Vax. Never trusted any of that and never took any Vax. Got covid like 3x since never had any real issues

Anyone here currently running the new Pfizer Ngenla HGH?

If so whats your thoughts and experience so far?

Been on Geno for a while but have very few pens left and they are no longer being produced but my source now has the new Ngenlas. Chase Irons has something on them youtube but he was doing a crazy experiment with like a WHOLE pen EOD or ED…

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At day 3 all your feeling is placebo to be honest.

Gonna take a 2-4 weeks for the long esters in all 3 of those to really kick in.

Also like Hilly said your gonna find not many here are fans of mixes including me, because most times then not the ratios the bottle says does not actually match whats in the bottle.

But if 10 weeks down the line…

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this looks totally fine to me – I see no issue with running GH and slin at the same time – at one point it was the go to method.

People get very technical and can find scientific reasoning for running together or running apart but IMHO I dont see an issue either way[/quote] Good to know , thank you !

No , I check my BG first thing soon as I wake before hydrating or GH. GH as been going in around 45-1hr pre (3iu) then (7iu) pre bed

Another question that most likely is one of those splitting hairs things that doesnt matter much but… With the GH and slin timing does it matter ? I have read somewhere in past its not a good idea to pin slin and Gh at the same exact time. Then some say you do wanna do them both at the same time. Some say to wait 30 mins after GH then pin…

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sounds good thank you Hilly

thanks again JP

Must be my birthday…. First I get Kuba and Sas responding to my post and now I get JP responding and even giving me a thumbs up on my cycle layout haha… Awesome stuff

Appreciate all the replies and I will start with 10iu lantus and 5iu humalog with pre meal and 5iu with post meal and go from there

Im a low responder for sure. Body type and genetics is to be skinny skinny very hard for me to put on size ,hard to stay full and keep full even on cycle and on high carbs (last push got up to 1000g carbs on high days 3x week) got up to 230lbs…. But higher GH dose is legit only thing that has for first time kept me looking full and round…

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Im sorry I forgot to mention

I workout first thing the AM only time I can.

I wake up at 3:30AM down 1 liter of water with electrolytes.

4am pre workout meal ( 100g cor 40g banana ) + another 1 liter of water

5am at gym.

I do post workout HIT 5x a week.

6min fast 6min slow 12min total

Was on a cut to get ready for this big push got down to 11% BF at 201lbs that ended mid July.

Held at maintaince diet for 6 weeks hovering around 203-205lbs…

Started this push sept 1st at 203lbs currently at 207lbs bf still very low if not the same just tad more water

How is going guys/girls ,

Currently on a blast

500 test 100mast 200 primo 100 tren wk (ED shots)

1000mg Inj L-Carnitine Pre workout

No ai as im a low aromatizer even at these dosages my E2s sits around 45-60 which I feel best at.

Running low tren as my 19nor because tren doesnt affect me much at all with sleep apetite or mood.

NPP/DECA or EQ gives…

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Honestly its one of those things you need to find out for your self. I have friends who feel amazing on npp/deca but tren destroys them. For me NPP/ DECA legit makes not even want to get out of bed. I have tried NPP 3 times. low dose and high doses. Even at 150mg a week by week 6 it starts. I had no motivation to lift. Music didnt sound good…

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As bad as it sounds I been doing daily pins for the past 2 years

I prep and pre load 7 syringes every Sunday for the next 7 days

Never had an issue not saying its the right thing to do just sharing my experience.

Consider yourself lucky bro and dont overthink it lol

Me on 250mg test week with legit pharma tested Test E

My test only comes back around 1300 to 1500 tops!

Like Kuba mentioned drop the AI and add mast or primo to control E2.

If you dont want to go to high on total load. Maybe drop the Test slightly to match with added primo or mast

Why run HCG if you had a vasectomy just purely from testicle size? lol drop the HCG to many unnecessary variables.

I dont know how you dont feel like garbage with E2…

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Thanks for there reply Peter , Exactly no matter what im running. Even if I have tren in ( which makes me a horny bastard ) soon as I add even just low dose of VAR like 10-20mg 2-3 weeks in I start loosing interest. Oh well I guess no VAR for me if Im in a relationship haha

Hey Guys and Girls ,

Anyone else deal with lower desire for anything sexual as soon as they are a few weeks into adding Var into a cycle? while E2 and prolactin everything is in check and on test base and etc? As low as 20mg a day (lab tested Var) after about 2-3 weeks it slowly starts. No ED still can get a full erection , normal orgasms…

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Yes it seems thats my case also with primo. Going to run test solo for a little then introduce mast slowly and maybe low dose tren after im sure my E2 is in check with test and mast and im feeling good.

Hey JP, appreciate this bro and very true I have noticed that different times of my life certain drugs do feel different and as im getting older they are also affecting me differently.

Like you said its rlly a never ending battle trying to adjust it all and it will never be perfect it will be depending a lot on the scenario you are currently…

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Highly appreciate the info Hilly!

I will adjust slightly like i mentioned and retest but you make a good point i have noticed i do much better in my E2 is slightly higher then normal range.

Also with npp i dont think its a estro thing because i have tried npp at least 3-4 diff times all with different ranges of E2 and test and primo and just…

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I really appreciate all the reasonable , understanding , helpful and thoughtful response guys!

You all are very right here to just run what feels good and dont run what doesnt and stop trying run things just because and push through the side effects all that is getting very old.

I will adjust and retest in a few weeks. Going to keep running…

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Currently on 750 test. But when i pulled bloods and all that was going on i was on 750 test 600 primo

E2 came back at 36pg/ml and total test 3600 nd/dl

Recently starting feeling low mood sort of depressed on primo and test cycle.

Even with E2 in perfect range and primo tested to 100% primo.

Anyone else experience this with primo?

Similar to how i feel after 2 weeks on Var or 5-6 weeks on EQ.

Also cant run npp for same reason…

Currently on a push and blast was gaining good but had drop primo. At this…

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Sounds like where Im headed. Back then I needed to run primo tad bit higher , like 500 test 700 primo to keep E2 at 40-50 and feel good for a long time.

Then after a good amount of runs like that I noticed my mood and sex drive lower on recent runs then after few bloods I had start running 1:1 ratio to keep E2 in good range.

Last few blasts even…

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Gonna stay away from it then haha.

Appreciate the response JP Thank you!

Hey guys ,

Been curious about DHB

Both times I tried run EQ at about the 6+ week mark I start to feel very low very down

Given up on EQ all together. NPP/DECA same thing.

So now I stick mostly with test ,primo/mast ,var and sometimes a little tren (low dose) those dont affect me much mentally.

Been hearing things about DHB and wanted to give it a…

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Thank you Kuba and everyone who commented.

Past 2 days I have used Kubas suggested protocol and my morning workouts have been amazing.

Much fuller , pumped , stronger , lighter and more energy.

No full gut feeling no bloat no digestion issues no gas dont feel sluggish and weighed down.

Again thanks guys !

Will do ! Starting tomorrow ( excited lol ) ohh the simple things that get us excited haha…

Currently eating 350g carbs a day.

Usually have most of that around training Pre , Intra and post total of 250g then my other 3 meals during day no carbs.

Then 100g carbs with last meal pre bed.

Highly appreciate your response Kuba ! Thank you !

Just to clarify something if you dont mind.

So basically , No more baby rice and no more Whey?

Just get up at 4am Have that drink mix you laid out for me

keep drinking water then around 4:30am Drink my pre (caffeine/pump supplement)

5am arrive at gym warm up then start sipping the same drink…

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Hey guys . Do to some life changes and new work schedule and etc. I need to be working out at 5am before work at 8am.

I been waking up at 4am having 16oz water with 1g salt 2g taurine.

Then I have 80g worth of carbs from rice flour 30g whey and 40g blueberries.

Around 4:40am I drink my pre caffeine and pump supp with 1g salt.

5am I am at the gym.…

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Been using Chiron for almost a year. Everything has been spot on

I like ralox during blast 30mg ed to prevent anything from popping up is perfect.

Barely any side effects compared to nolva.

Felt nolva dried me up a little and maybe just me but felt it messed with my mood a bit.

Also not sure if true but from some research that I have done its not good to use nolva while on nandrolones.

Before I had gyno surgery…

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Hey bro ,

You mentioned taking your physique to the next level. Hgh is not whats gonna do that for you , specially 1-2 ius a day that is a very low dose. You might get some fat burning benefits from that dose but thats literally it.

To see any muscle volume benefit from HGH you will need at LEAST 4ius a day even that is a low dose if your trying…

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Hey guys, not sure if this is allowed if not please let me know i will delete.
I have tried 2 different sources of primo had them sent to Janoshik 1 came back only 21mg per ml instead of 100mg per ml. The other came back at 36mgs per ml. Getting frustated trying to put my hands on some legit primo. Anyone here that lives in the US have a… Read more

Hey peeps , Got my hands on straight from pharmacy Saizen 60iu in 2.5ml premixed saizen hgh.
Question is im confused on how much to withdraw.
The box says 60iu of hgh mixed in 2.5mls of solution. How much on a slin pin that goes from .1ml to 1ml would i have to withdraw lets say for 2ius? I have sat here and brainstormed this for hours and… Read more

Best decision i ever made. Had it done 5 months ago. After 1 week was doing light cardio after 2 weeks light legs after 3 weeks light arms. After 4 weeks was alrdy doing every body party except for chest with decent weight. After 6 weeks full send mode, recovered and healed perfect. No pain after , surgery was quick 2 hours tops. Good luck… Read more

Week one thats hard to tell. Ik npp kicks in fast but one week and already down its strange specially low dose. I would tough it out for at least a month to make sure.

I been on primo and test for 2 months now feeling great.
Added npp 2 weeks ago 250mg a week and still feel great.
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Honestly bro anadrol for bulking is wacky sometimes it can screw up your apetite does mine which makes it very hard to put all the meals down. But id use it to kick start cycle or at the back end of a cycle when your gainz stalled a little.

He left a small amount of the gland in like a lot of plastic surgeons do so the nipple doesnt cave in , specially me who has pretty big areolas lol
Also thank you i will reduce my test to see if it helps so i dont need take anti E.

Been on 450 test and 400 primo for 6 weeks now.
Not taking anti e just 60mg ralox a day for safety.
Had gyno surgery 3 months ago dont want it back ever! Lol

Got my E2 sensitive test back today and its 55pgml average is as you guys know 20-30 is good spot.

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Only other option raloxifine 30-60mgs a day and obviously keep your e2 in check with adex or aromasin.

Did both of mine 3 months ago. In the US though same guy who did Jay cutlers and many pros in boston.
Rick silverman.
No scars, he doesnt remove whole gland leaves tiny piece in specially if you have bigger areolas. And slight lipo done.
8k total was out for the procedure and took about 2 hours maybe lil less.

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I pin MWF but i do

Monday early am

Weds afternoon

Friday night

Feel like it helps spread it out a little more even. Most likely makes no difference but helps my OCD ass sleep better at night lol

Hi fellas, not sure if brand check is allowed here. It not ignore this.

Anyone here heard of or use or used XT labs (UGL) before?
Seems legit sponsors Pros and all that.
Thank you

Supp homies, so i been on 30mg ralox a day for gyno prevention. I know most do 10mg nolva a day for same reason (cheaper)
Wondering whats your preference and why?
I feel ralox is better but seems to cause a little depression kinda of like clomid.
Will nolva also cause this low feeling?
Thank you!

Thank you for the feedback Hilly,
I will start off with primo and test then and see how that turns out safer that way makes sense, also would like to avoid ai’s as much as possible.

I will also be taking either 30mg raloxifine day or 5mg nolva a day for safety measure basicly while on cycle (traumatized by gyno , never wanna get that shit again lol)

For estro lowering proprieties id do EQ but if you can put your hands on legit primo even better. EQ is known to fuck with your mood. Did with me gave me a little depression. Primo and test with estro in range feels great no mental issues. Masteron doesnt really lower estro from my understanding it only masks the high estro sides like gyno and etc