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Wouldn’t bother.

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Cost effective intra = water.
Costly, but effective intra = EAA and HBCD

Guys were building a lot of muscle before intra workout shakes came along.

Wake up and have some whey iso, and something like ground rice and nut butter. Then just train and have a post workout meal or meal soon after.

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A 50/50 split would be 25g of each obviously.

That’s a lot of Peptopro to use intra workout. You really feel you need that much? I use 25g, and that alleviates soreness completely. I go by JMs advise of use as little as possible (along with HBCD) to alleviate DOMs.

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Tiromel for me.
Used both with effect but Tiromel would be my preference.

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I do 20-25 mins on the bike (ideally fasted) every off day for as long as i can. I’ll drop this towards the end when really struggling to add weight. Also acts as a new tool for when i diet this way. I do still try and stay somewhat active the whole off seaon. 9-10k steps a day i feel a good amount to aim for. My drop this down to 6k (if i can) again at the height of weight gain.

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Hi Jordan. Thanks for the response. So off season you now prefer to keep fats fairly low (0.3g per lbs), and push up carbs? Prep is very low fat to keep carbs and performance high.

Do you no longer feel that pushing fats beyond 100g a day is beneficial? Obviously if needs be towards the end of off season to get the cals in it may have to be done.

From reading Corinnes log she still prefers low carb/high fat rest days to act as a “control”. Even though shes very active. Where as you now dont favor that approach. Do you find this is simply an individual thing, or more due to the amount of mass a person carries? If you get what i mean….

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Hi Jordan.

Fat looks higher and protein lower than id have expected for a refeed day? I can understand the lower protein as carbs are high, but why the high fat also? I thought that with re-feed days, fats were best kept as low as possible?

Edit: Just noticed above you have fillet steak as 200g a serving (raw i assume). Isnt this more like 50g protein, not 30g as shown?

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I just got it randomly a lot of the time. Mostly in the evening.

It was just like burning in the sternum (heart burn), and then regurgitating a little foam/froth. Used to get it in my younger years after a night on the sauce.

Gastric stress or something i suppose. Production of too much acid. Who knows but it put me off eating enough to know Tren in the off season would be a no no.

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NPP or EQ off season, Tren the last 8-9 weeks of a diet.

I imagine the strength gains you could make on Tren off season would be superb. But i felt full on 2000 calories a day. High day just had me regurgitating foam all day, and my high day were only about 300g of carbs at the end. 600g daily carbs for off season would have killed me. That, and the Tren did send me a bit loopy beyond week 9-10.

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Never bothered me the thought of sticking the needle in tbh. Just got on with it. Was more worried about growing titties, and having a limp noodle for life.

But as above, i still don’t like jabbing. After how ever many years its still like “bloody jab day today”. But now its just annoying, like having to wax. Doesnt hurt, but its just a faff.

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I like a banana or some apple to add a bit of flavor to my post workout meal. Probably 20g tops from the fruit.

Rest of the day i might have some kind of berries, or pineapple here and there. Watermelon is lovely and almost all water so that’s something i enjoy just picking at.

When dieting i’d reduce the fruit before reducing more filling carbs for sure. But if carb allowance allowed then no problems keeping them in.

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Seems the lazy option to me.
As you say, insulin sensitivity is high, metabolism is on fire, so keep ‘slowly’ adding food as you grow. Don’t try and push it to much so appetite stays high.
Yeah it will get to a point where you’re no longer hungry but that will happen regardless of T3 use. Jordan runs 25mcg a day, and i’m sure he’ll tell you 7-8000 cals doesn’t sit all that easy.

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If you want to improve them then train them off season.

I hate training abs so just do crunches and vacuums on rest days after my cardio.

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Pull, Push, off, Legs, off, repeat

Basically I wanted to deadlift on pull day. So needed an extra bit of recovery for back before legs. Then on leg day I was just doing GHRs and hamstring focused Hypers instead of SLDL. Set up of the session was the same as now really……

If I wasn’t deadlifting and only doing SLDL on leg day I could get away with Push, Pull, Legs, off, repeat. Just about anyway…..

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No, not my cup of tea. I think things just need more attention than can be offered full body.

Push pull legs is ideal. Upper lower is still good. Splits can work, but for me i see the best results from frequency. So I’d want to train every thing every 4-5 days as a min…..