[1danw]

Jamie what kind of burgers do you have with your meal 6 mate ?

Great log btw keep the updates coming!!

[1danw]

Dan Walls wrote:

Food and sup update
Currently holding my weight hitting 4300ish kcal train days and around 2800-3000kcal rest days, GH has been 6iu training days the last 3-4 weeks with just 5iu slin pwo meal to help shuttle nutrients.

Time to push to 240 now over next 4 weeks pre stag do and then aim to hold it another 4 weeks and then prep time.

So changing GH and insulin back to how I ran it during rebound and last year as I do prefer this approach for off season I feel.

10iu Gh 1 hour pre gym

slin pre 30 mins – I will be using 7iu

slin pwo 30 mins – I will be using 7iu

Food is now up to 4500kcal train days (4750 insulin/gh days) and 3000 kcal rest days.

Hilly, just listened to the GH podcast with joe jeffery and in terms of the GH taking it all in one go was the exact thing he said NOT do if you want the most out it for hypertophy and he also said 8iu was enough, so just curious on your thought process on 10iu pre gym, and also why you dont use a basal insulin? thanks buddy

Why on earth does anything joe Jeffrey say have any relevance to anything lol. I don’t know the guy I’ve just seen his posts from years ago n don’t believe he has much of any real life experience in terms of results or scientific background of it’s the guy I’m thinking of.

Having used lantus only a few months ago n been n advocate of it for a couple of years I think my first use on myself was 2-3 years ago just for experiments I explain why not earlier.

In brief it’s fantastic for health n BS control. In a heavy gaining phase i have found it creates a permanent pump that leads to discomfort , elevated BP n increased stress on tendons. So when maximising growth at end stages not fun. I was using it throughout my whole rebound n start of year.

Could you please indicate the research n information he provides for 8iu being ‘enough’ ?? As in why 8?

When bolus dosing we are aiming for the huge spike in IGF. To increase the theory of cell proliferation. Creating new cells.

I only believe there is so much research on this. Certainly none that indicates the perfect number.

Secondly my amps come in 10iu

Thirdly 10iu is an anecdotal number used by bodybuilders of the higher levels pwo for the last decade or so.

I was actually using 6 n progressed to 10.

You can argue the debate of splitting it may be better. For reduced sides n increased lipolysis this is true based on science

However in children with stunted growth they use a bolus dose I believe. In the very rare studies done on athletes / healthy males it was a 3 x a week bolus dose which is my usual method.
I pushed to training days so 5 x a week as I was pushing into new territory n breaking through a plateau.

All of this is detailed in this log. The literature I have discussed n science can all be found online – google scholar n pub Med etc.

Just Becareful who states what n were n where they gather there information from. As Jordan will attest to there are few as well educated n have experimented as much as we have n have helped people push boundaries.

There are many spouting all sorts on podcasts these days that have actual little first hand experience with the methods they discuss n have results to show either on themselves or clients.

Any questions on the above feel
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haha thanks for that reply mate and the explanation, i had never heard of the guy but thought he may have some relevance as he was on callums pod cast,

Im not sure if you’ve listened to the pod cast or not and i cant remember enough of it to regurgitate what he said but he did say a lot of the research was on pub med and some of what he claimed about GH alone and combined with insulin was quite interesting (again he said this was all backed by research and he did mention where it came from, think it was pub med). I do agree though you cant argue with experience and tried and tested methods which have come with fantastic results. I would much sooner take advice from people like yourself and Jordan 🙂

I must add once i asked the question i read your whole log ( probably should have done that first ) lol

[1danw]

Food and sup update

Currently holding my weight hitting 4300ish kcal train days and around 2800-3000kcal rest days, GH has been 6iu training days the last 3-4 weeks with just 5iu slin pwo meal to help shuttle nutrients.

Time to push to 240 now over next 4 weeks pre stag do and then aim to hold it another 4 weeks and then prep time.

So changing GH and insulin back to how I ran it during rebound and last year as I do prefer this approach for off season I feel.

10iu Gh 1 hour pre gym
slin pre 30 mins – I will be using 7iu
slin pwo 30 mins – I will be using 7iu

Food is now up to 4500kcal train days (4750 insulin/gh days) and 3000 kcal rest days.

Hilly, just listened to the GH podcast with joe jeffery and in terms of the GH taking it all in one go was the exact thing he said NOT do if you want the most out it for hypertophy and he also said 8iu was enough, so just curious on your thought process on 10iu pre gym, and also why you dont use a basal insulin? thanks buddy

[1danw]

Dan Walls wrote:

Do you have any links to the research on the benefits of lantus mate ?

Muscle mentors podcast with joe Jeffreys buddy they go into details on gh and slin use. Joe Jeffreys is the one that will know more on it Too buddy

Thanks pal

[1danw]

Do you have any links to the research on the benefits of lantus mate ?

[1danw]

How does it compare training over there to over here mate, like the general feel in the gyms / atmosphere / kit etc ?

[1danw]

What were the doses of your orals leading upto the show buddy ?

[1danw]

The more times you go through the dieting process the less stubborn it will become. The body will essentially go into ‘survival mode’ the first time you diet hard and won’t necessarily let go of all areas without sacrificing a lot of tissue. The next time you diet it will let go of the fat more easily. And so on and so on. This is what I’ve found personally. I’m sure there’s a more scientific answer but that’s the basic version from me ????
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This is definitely the case for me also, plus the more muscle you have the easier you will find it to get leaner and look better. There does come a point where you can push to hard to get those last bits off and in turn sacrifice muscle so at that point it might be more beneficial to stay leaner and try get it off next time

[1danw]

the protein sludge you made in your day in a life video. is there any other brand whey/protein powder that thickens up like this that youve found? would like to try it until your vegan protein is available

Anth Bailes tactical whey thickness up nice for the sludge

[1danw]

Running HCG along with your cycle wont be a bad idea .. something like 250mcg twice a week, then do a proper PCT once you come off. I had LH and FSH at 0. something after a long blast and still managed to conceive 4 months later after proper PCT

[1danw]

See when i was with jordan we didnt use an AI at all the last few weeks as there was nothing to aromatise, that was his thought process back then maybe its changed now…yeh i dont think increasing AI would have much affect on fullness… just curious really to know how much dryer increasing AI dose would get you if your not using any test at all the last week..

[1danw]

That gym really is going to be the oxygen gym off the UK, your members are very lucky.. need to visit soon!

[1danw]

Why do you think he has dropped the yohimbine james ?

[1danw]

A day in the life of kuba and meg video would be great idea for the site showing all the food prep you do etc

[1danw]

That’s awesome mate you’ve definitely paved the way and shown how offseason can be done,

As a result would you say this is the easiest contest prep you’ve done ?