[Alfie Stanford]

Hi Alfie, the only way you will really see how your body is responding is by being super strict on all fronts. If your diet, cardio and training remains the exact same throughout the duration of the cycle then it will be much easier to monitor progress. Things to keep an eye on, Bodyweight, body composition, strength, endurance and how you look.

Thanks mate, will keep my eye on these

[Alfie Stanford]

Fully agree with every one else here.

The difference is you will make more progress. There is no question there , how much is based on Genetic response and dose used IF everything else is totally locked in.

I would get bloods done first yes

Cheers bud

[Alfie Stanford]

Well you can see the difference between the best pro natty bb and best assisted pros , that’s the diff it makes . I think your going to get shit for this question as it it’s a very odd question , so you aren’t going to get the answer you maybe hoped for , because you already know exactly what anabolics do , and if you don’t , you defo defo defo are not ready for them

Yeah I understand how this comes across as a daft question, it’s just me wanting to know exactly what to expect but I guess everyone is different and I’ll not know until I try👍

[Alfie Stanford]

I agree with both of the comments from the guys here. If you feel you have exhausted every ounce of progression you can make naturally then this could be the next step for you. It’s not going to produce epic results if all the areas you mentioned are not fully locked in.

If you haven’t already get some bloodwork done so you have some baseline markers for a reference point

Yeah this makes sense mate, thanks. Would be Getting bloods checked before i start, definitely.

[Alfie Stanford]

I would start around 250mg per week , run blood before starting and around 6 weeks in to see what they are looking like and make adjustment based off that

Cheers mate

[Alfie Stanford]

I would go in at 250mg personally. For me I’ve always been of the opinion why inject myself – run the risks that come with it to just make yourself natural.

I would then get bloods done at week 6 and make my assesment on response etc

Then response / bloods / progress will all

Dictate your path from there. It’s very hard for us to try map out what you should do now. Impossible almost

Yeh makes sense that, cheers mate

[Alfie Stanford]

Blood work first see what your markers are at and to have a reference point to work from as you start

First cycle exposure is trt + not a cycle start 150 and go up super slow it can literally be a 12 month long process milking 50mg increments of just test only that’s the best way to go.

Cycle response will be dictated by
Genetics
Training
Diet
Lifestyle
Effort with all of the above

Some get a lot some not much depends on your set up

Before you start consider you will likely need to use gear for life as regaining natural function to some can he a disaster

Hi mate so what you’re saying is i can be on test for a long period, in this example 12 months, without coming off at all? You mentioned about 50mg increments, starting at 150, what would you say the cap is before its too much to stay on for the 12 months/ or extended period without coming off, if that makes sense 😂 What im saying is, eventually if im increasing by 50mg every few weeks/ every month for example, will the dose likely become too much to just cruise on for 12 months? If so, then whats the best approach?

[Alfie Stanford]

Hi bud, personally don’t think it hinders the following session as long as it’s programmed with appropriate volume and it all makes sense. What I mean by it making sense is if you deadlift on Monday lower and then do a bent over row on Tuesday upper. There’s going to be some negative crossover. BUT you can programme it to negate this.

Which raises a question. What exercises will you be doing in the sessions? That’s where we can be of further help.

Hi mate. Would be an RDL in one of the lower days. Would this be better if it was the day before push so there’s 0 pulling movements in that session? In the upper session tho there would be a chest supported row and a pulldown.

Do you think there’s any issues with training upper within 2 days of pull/push? Just so I can maybe have more options on where to place things [/quote]

But why is the leg sessions having to come before push, pull and upper? I ask this because my son had to do this around another sport. Are you a footballer/rugby player?

Kuba and Marc are spot on, but is this because you prefer it or is there a reason?[/quote]

Hi mate, there’s no real reason. I’d ideally like pull or push on a Saturday though as I’m short on time on that day with work. Every time I write the split out I end up with one of the leg sessions on a Saturday. OR I end up with an upper session 2 days before or after one of the push/pull sessions. Not sure if that’s an issue [/quote]

If training legs on a Saturday a no-go, can you not just train 4 x a week with U/L? Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, Friday? That way you’re not rushing about on the Saturday before work. [/quote]
It’s not every Saturday I work, UL 4x per week can work. I do really enjoy a push and pull day too. What are your thoughts on this?

Upper
Lower
Rest
Push
Pull
Rest
Legs
Rest
Repeat.

No set days, just repeat this. I’d train 5 days in 8

[Alfie Stanford]

I’m

With the guys – I personally always feel the day post legs my recovery is a lot more worse off than upper days which is why most of us will do lower last before a rest is done, there is always the ability to trial it for yourself though to see what you prefer

Hi yes this makes sense, what are your thoughts on a rest day before and after legs.

So a split where I train 5 days in 8. U-L-Rest- P-P-Rest – L – Rest?

Just trying to align things to fit well for myself

[Alfie Stanford]

Hi bud, personally don’t think it hinders the following session as long as it’s programmed with appropriate volume and it all makes sense. What I mean by it making sense is if you deadlift on Monday lower and then do a bent over row on Tuesday upper. There’s going to be some negative crossover. BUT you can programme it to negate this.

Which raises a question. What exercises will you be doing in the sessions? That’s where we can be of further help.

Hi mate. Would be an RDL in one of the lower days. Would this be better if it was the day before push so there’s 0 pulling movements in that session? In the upper session tho there would be a chest supported row and a pulldown.

Do you think there’s any issues with training upper within 2 days of pull/push? Just so I can maybe have more options on where to place things [/quote]

But why is the leg sessions having to come before push, pull and upper? I ask this because my son had to do this around another sport. Are you a footballer/rugby player?

Kuba and Marc are spot on, but is this because you prefer it or is there a reason?[/quote]
Hi mate, there’s no real reason. I’d ideally like pull or push on a Saturday though as I’m short on time on that day with work. Every time I write the split out I end up with one of the leg sessions on a Saturday. OR I end up with an upper session 2 days before or after one of the push/pull sessions. Not sure if that’s an issue

[Alfie Stanford]

Hey bud personally I would run upper lower, lower work is always more demanding I would prefer to always run a rest there

Upper

Lower ham focused RDL

Rest

Push ( quad iso ) single leg press or leg ext

Pull

Legs even split curl ext leg press & hack

Rest

This is what I would run if you want more leg specificity with volume you can recover from and progress

Hi mate this looks great thank you for the response

[Alfie Stanford]

Hi bud, personally don’t think it hinders the following session as long as it’s programmed with appropriate volume and it all makes sense. What I mean by it making sense is if you deadlift on Monday lower and then do a bent over row on Tuesday upper. There’s going to be some negative crossover. BUT you can programme it to negate this.

Which raises a question. What exercises will you be doing in the sessions? That’s where we can be of further help.

Hi mate. Would be an RDL in one of the lower days. Would this be better if it was the day before push so there’s 0 pulling movements in that session? In the upper session tho there would be a chest supported row and a pulldown.

Do you think there’s any issues with training upper within 2 days of pull/push? Just so I can maybe have more options on where to place things