[andrew]

Tbh I don’t think there is much you can do to improve HDL on cycle as cholesterol is manufactured in your liver and HDL is largely dependant on certain enzymes which unfortunately high androgens tend to destroy.
I think regular cardiovascular exercise is going to be your best bet for general cardiac health, along with possibly vitamin K2 and some omega 3s (krill would be my personal preference).
Citrus bergamot and red yeast rice are basically mild statins and work by a similar mechanism of action.
These may help your cholesterol numbers, but not necessarily indicative of cardiovascular health or protection!
I’m not a fan of these personally since we don’t really know what downstream effects there are.
HDL and LDL numbers don’t tell you a whole lot by themselves unless you are testing for specific particle sizes…etc.
Triglyceride – HDL ratio would be a slightly better gauge but overall – I think cholesterol numbers are overrated in terms of giving us much indication of cardiac health.
The fact that AAS can potentially lower HDL-c, whilst raising LDL-c, perhaps isn’t the indicator we think it is for poor cardiovascular health.
HDL is actually elevated by toxins, alcohol, endurance exercise, any stressor. It’s mainly used to carry toxins from the tissues back to the liver for excretion. So, its possible, that having high HDL is actually not a good thing and there is a lot of ongoing debate on this.
Also, anything that increases your HDL will tend to decrease LDL, and low LDL is one of the most powerful predictors of cancer incidence even decades before it happens.
In one of the latest Cambridge studies the people with high HDL had increased risk of heart disease, not lower.
There have been hundreds of drugs developed and tested (including plain niacin) for raising HDL, especially in people with low HDL. None of them have shown any benefit in people with low HDL, and if HDL was somehow protective for CVD it should have shown at least minute benefit.
To quote Prof Adam Butterworth, A researcher from the University of Cambridge:
“We had always believed that good cholesterol is associated with a lower risk of heart disease. Studies show that some people that have high levels of ‘good’ cholesterol actually have a higher risk of heart disease so it challenges our conventional wisdom about whether ‘good’ cholesterol is protecting people from heart disease or not.”
There have been huge efforts and money pumped into the development of drugs and supplements that raise HDL. It appears that trying to raise HDL may not be that useful.
Infact, one trial with a time-released niacin formulation called ‘Niaspan’ actually showed much higher risk of stroke. (‘Niaspan’ raised HDL considerably, to almost double the initial patients levels.)
Overall, having high HDL is usually a surrogate sign for having low LDL and it is LDL that is protective and serves as the raw material for steroid synthesis.
Make of that what you will.
I still think it’s good to keep your numbers in range if possible – but usually they’re gonna take a hit on cycle regardless of what you do. Some people more so than others.

Thanks for the interesting insights Jesse, it’s greatly appreciated bud ?

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Ah right cheer bud, I will try and find my tag as I’m not sure what my right Andrew is if you get me
Can you remember dosages/length/and then I could see it in respect to this low dose.
It’s difficult to say, but this is where higher counts of RBC tend to occur ( as in longer and heavier ones ), the lower dose in addition to TRT might not raise over the threshold for venesection, you just want to know or don’t have an upcoming bloods for your endo and it’s ‘changed’ your RBC
Regards
Andrew
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It was more or less a year straight, probably more. It became a mess tbh. And I know better now.
I was off for a few weeks in the middle somewhere as boat worked abroad for a trip, and I didn’t want to bring anything with me(this was before TRT). But went back on after about 5 weeks, so basically I was never really off.
Don’t really remember the dosages, but I’m quite sure it was around 750mg test e per week, I know I had some other compounds in there for shorter cycles too. Deca amongst other. Like I said, a mess.
Ended with me not feeling to well and getting a medical check. My T-level was then 52nmol/L and RBC 6,13 (ref range 4,25-5,71).

Ok, so I think primo would be a better option then, because if test at 500 puts you e2 10% out of the normal range (obviously this is all individualistic and that’s why its difficult providing advice)but if this was =manageable e2 sides for you, to your endo it could means reduce test dose/dosage frequency or add AI, none of which you want.

You could trial an extra of 100mg e/c test a week, test e2 and if not out of range, then that would be an option

Another option is Masteron, but this could potentially reduce e2 a little too much, I’m not sure what your endo would do about that, again you could try that take blood before endo, so this would make primo a better option

Thanks for the info, many of us have been in that position mate, myself included, I don’t think eq would increase it anywhere to that extent, but I just cant say-its an ‘educated’ guess.

Regarding what you said about writing that post, I would highly recommend this book which I add in a picture, it’s about creating and starting journaling in an organised and structured manner , which it sounds like you would definitely benefit from, helped a lot.

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Ah right cheer bud, I will try and find my tag as I’m not sure what my right Andrew is if you get me ?

Can you remember dosages/length/and then I could see it in respect to this low dose.

It’s difficult to say, but this is where higher counts of RBC tend to occur ( as in longer and heavier ones ), the lower dose in addition to TRT might not raise over the threshold for venesection, you just want to know or don’t have an upcoming bloods for your endo and it’s ‘changed’ your RBC

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Sorry I didn’t reply to GH post bud, I appreciate you taking the time, I just got a little busy to provide a thorough reply, I will try to get round to it at some point ?

I missed your first EQ question too, the benefit it would provide would be mild anabolism, and if it spikes your appetite then it can fit well as adjunctive purpose like this / at this dose, to maintain cals constantly, and some cardiovascular improvement but that’s obviously associated with RBC. I think it might potentially work well for you out at sea, with all the continuous graft. But you would need to do your own bloods and donate if RBC is high cos endo might think you continuous venesection/s and/or refer you to Haemotology, personally I wouldn’t want that hassle. Could use slightly higher test, but then then you have e2 to work with, but if can get good legit primo it saves all this fuck about

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Depends on where TRT puts your RBC. Yes it will continue to do that, but truthfully you will only know until you do it. I need to have blood drawn off with out TRT, more often now with TRT and I would imagine with EQ it would be quite regular. A low dose like might indeed increase RBC quickly, but that’s unlikely however my guess is yes it would do so continuously, but this simply can only be confirmed by doing it. Primo would fit better in this place IMO.

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Yes I have used it, it’s not astonishing effective but does work , the one you want is by the X-factor formulated by William Llewelyn, it works on the prostaglandin response and does not inhibit inflammation but increases it(broadly speaking) as this theorised to contribute at least in some part to the process of hypertrophy (again this is speaking in very broad terms), if you have a copy of William Llewelyns Anabolics there is a profile in there which is helpful, I will take some pictures later and put them up for reference.

Hope this helps

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Cardiovascular training, omega 3 1000mg up to 3 times a day, that worked for me, supplement needs and trained by JP has his own formulations which may be able to help but I’m clued up on their breakdown, hopefully one of the lads will chime in

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Everyday once IM?

Not sound like I’m second guessing bro, I’m just very interested in the way you ran it as I have never done in a similar protocol, it was always halo/winni/var -the traditional precontest hardeners

And not to sound crazy, but did you find a ceiling at 1mg, do you recon it would be body weight dependant ? ( obviously all these things affects everyone differently ) But correct if I wrong but if you could reduce the ace, it might reduce the mind fuck in some people , or potentially worse, but that point also interest me too

Thanks for your time bro, it’s always appreciated

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

And methyltrienolone not Dimethyltrienolone ? As the latter is far more potent, due to di-bond on the methyl not a single, I am yet to try that

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[andrew]

Don’t get me wrong Halo will fuck your liver enzymes/lipids, but even at 2mg say you push it to 5mg which is the highest dose I have seen, unless you are unique it would almost definitely fuck you bloods, personally I would rather run tren ace at a higher dose and stan. Not just that it would trash your bloods, tren/win at a higher dose would reliably have an increased hardening effect, with methyltren your rolling the dice, it shines preworkout, before a fight, but just cos its high andro doesn’t mean it will have that effect. That’s my 2cents for what it’s worth.
Hope this helps
Andrew

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Hello my man.
We’re are you getting these doses from ?
Have you used this yourself or seen any ones bloods one it ?

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Hiya mate,

I was thinking about that post and I meant the dosage of preparations on the market per ml not as a guideline for dosing. I ran it about a decade ago British Dragon, just pre workout as it’s was for strength and combined with a multitude of other orals. I have no experience of running it precontest and cannot quantify its effects as accurately as you could, that’s why I could recommend tren ace slightly higher, which I do have experience of.

Blood work wise I never ran anything back then, I ran into some kidney trouble and admitted to hospital in the winter of 2010, it just felt like I had a belt so tight round my lower back, I’m so lucky looking back because I could have done serious damage. It’s was and probably still something that is synonymous (and the scientific lit says this, but obviously doesn’t necessarily make it true) with high ast/alt, but back then there was complete cavalier attitude towards health, whereas now I would imagine powerlifters are ( or should) be getting blood to test this.

I am surprised it didn’t raise liver blood work though, we talking about IM administration aren’t we ?

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

You can buy small dose tablets of 25mg of DHEA online, more is certainly not better so don’t think it’s better value for money for 100mg caps. DHEA is hormone which is precursor to many other hormones and could increase e2.

However I don’t think this is necessary, as DHEA can be a reflection of adrenal function in terms of over stimulation of cortisol, as in stress hormones. So I would recommend 600mg Ashwagandha (KSM66, and only this patented version), and 500mg Magnesium Bisglycinate.

If you have any major stress in your life this could potentially why DHEA isn’t optimal, as well as stimulant use, caffeine etc

I think as you blood work is only a little to try those 2 supplements, I believe they will help DHEA production, if it continues to fall you may want to look into DHEA supplementation, but it is an hormone and can have powerful negative effects at even low doses. I have crashed DHEA from severe anxiety etc I was put on 25mg pharma DHEA a day and it sky rocketed my prolactin (I am well aware this is not it’s precursor tree-but it was my only variable change – for those who read)this is an extreme example, but as your hormone count is a little out of range.

I wouldn’t imagine that e2 just below normal would cause negative sides, such as ED, but that’s person dependent. Do you low body fat year round by any chance?

Hope this helps

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

Great thanks for prompt reply buddy I shall read that article, from what I have seen that Derek fella is quite knowledgeable regarding some of these topics.

I shall have a look, would be interested in mt2 and rbc- especially scientific literature, as it is run by many year round, or precontest to build a base tan, but I was unaware of Renal impact ( apart from entirely unrelated heavy metal poisoning).

Thanks again buddy

Regards

Andrew

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[andrew]

For me EQ lowers E2, even too much!!

Was on 500 TestE 500 EQ since 14weekds, no AI, and my E2 were at 8pg/ml.

Had problems falling asleep, staying asleep, anxiety, motivation, sex drive was shit… once i dropped EQ for 175 Trestolone Acetate, in few days i got back to my usual sleep and sex patterns.

For more than “some” people EQ “occupies” all the aromatize enzyme that you have in your body, so basically makes Test unable to do a part of his job, if you go on Reddit this is happening to a 50% of people using Boldenon…

Dbol and Trestolone since they aromatize on different synthetic estrogen with different binding constant they can still have priority over EQ.

Imho, EQ has not really any good application in bb…. i mean TEST NPP PRIMO MAST TREN they all work better than EQ.
I think that if you really want to drive RBC into high drive, just use Melanotan II.

I am interested in a few things you have said, I obviously can’t deny (not that what I want) the bloods and anecdotal feedback you have given

But:”For more than “some” people EQ “occupies” all the aromatize enzyme that you have in your body, so basically makes Test unable to do a part of his job, if you go on Reddit this is happening to a 50% of people using Boldenon…”
-Is just blood tests and theorised or do you have any information to substantiate this scientifically?

Dianabol I kinda get what I think you mean with the dbol and methylestradiol, and the other AAS better than EQ

How does MelanotanII stimulate Erythropoiesis?

I look forward to your answers, if you have no idea brother just say so-but if know a little that I don’t please tell

Thank you

Andrew

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[andrew]

Don’t get me wrong Halo will fuck your liver enzymes/lipids, but even at 2mg say you push it to 5mg which is the highest dose I have seen, unless you are unique it would almost definitely fuck you bloods, personally I would rather run tren ace at a higher dose and stan. Not just that it would trash your bloods, tren/win at a higher dose would reliably have an increased hardening effect, with methyltren your rolling the dice, it shines preworkout, before a fight, but just cos its high andro doesn’t mean it will have that effect. That’s my 2cents for what it’s worth.

Hope this helps

Andrew

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[andrew]

Yeah works quite well like that, it’s quite a versatile drug, if real it will provide pronounced strength gains/and it will pump wise too- painful at times, Using it pre-workout you can use it for longer without any substantial build-up of some of the negative side effects, such as appetite loss, so if used pre-workout you can get pre/workout/Intra/post and then on with your meals instead of taking a consistent daily dosage. So to answer your question, yes it will, and IMO that’s one of its ‘best’ uses.

Hope this helps

Regards

Andrew

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