[Ellis]

The 750 is fine, I was on 1050 test, 800 NPP and 900 Primo a couple of months back, the test I had run almost that high before with a second compound but never with primo alongside.

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Another vote for FitMark, but again I use my own tupperware, the fitmark boxes are small!

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I’m currently doing just this, the first time I’ve done a mini cut on a cruise. Albeit at 250mg of Test and with 3IU of GH (mostly for tendon issues)

But I got to the point at the end of my blast where I needed to significantly reduce AAS, regain appetite and sensitivity and also had accumulated some body fat. I’m not done with my off season so I felt being in a cruise I can kill three birds with one stone and be super primed to grow when I blast after 6-8 weeks.

I must specify though that this is just a small tidy up, I won’t be looking to drop more than 8-10lbs of fat (I’ll drop some fullness on top of that) and I’m aware that if strength starts to dip too much I will take my calories back off as I don’t want to be setting myself back.

Hope this helps!

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So, didn’t want to add this in the first post as not to bombard, but this is my current set up…

3 weeks in to a cruise at 250mg Test E, with 3IU GH daily, mostly to fix tendon issues.

I’m also mini cutting at the moment, I wouldn’t usually in a cruise but since my illness has left me with pretty much no appetite recently, I want to take this time to fully reset, get myself in to robot mode and get myself hungry and primed to grow with less body fat.

current macros:
Pro – 356g
Carb – 250g
Fat – 30g

training 4 days a week on a PPL split (only just returning to this from more of a bro split, due to being ill and not wanting to focus on progression as I know it just wasn’t going to happen)

Paying very close attention to intensity and execution and just getting damn strong haha

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Hi man. A few questions, just because I’m curious:

for how long have you running this cycle and what were your starting dosages? how many have you ran in the past?

Cheers bro.

I think I’ve been off cruise for about 12 weeks now, started on 785 Test and 900 Primo, then added NPP about 3 weeks later, then the above doses and then increased to the high doses. I should have stayed longer on the initial doses with the NPP and let that work for a bit, but impatience took over since I’ve been above those doses before and felt I had some making up to do after being quite ill. I won’t be rushing like that again!

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Thanks Ryan! At least I know my limit now haha! How come you’d replace the Primo with Mast?

I’ll definitely get blood work done within the next couple of weeks but I’m in two minds about dropping to cruise as I wanted another 4-6 weeks out of this run first really. I’ll see what bloods say.

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Was using them for most of 2018, very good until i got two infections. In hindsight was probably just a bad bottle but since then I’ve been using Imperium, top notch!

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I took t3 and arimidex on holiday to Tenerife a couple of years ago. Literally took them in their packaging (pharmacy equivalent) and wasn’t questioned. But be prepared to have them taken off you, I imagine it could be a possibility depending on where you’re flying.

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I stick it on a radiator for about 10 mins, works fine

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Thanks bud! Just ordered some kits. Never used GH before so I’m interested to see the results!

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Its the most anabolic hormone known to man. I personally don’t use it, i think it’s a must for open bodybuilders today, however, you should know what your doing and be an advanced experienced bodybuilder before you even consider use.

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Just out of interest Ryan, have you ever used it?

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Yes, using Test E and P, along with NPP and Primo right now. Honestly, best I’ve had in a long while!

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honestly mate, this is all just a bit of trial and error. But I like to spend at least 3-4 months a year at cruise dose (250mg test for me) I don’t come off anymore, Just preference along with finding it increasingly harder to recover each cycle.

So I started February after 2 months of cruising, then increased again near the start of April and increased again at the end of May. I feel like I can run this dose now for another 6 or so weeks and then I’ll get blood work. If it’s not too shoddy I’ll increase one more time maybe. So I guess around 6-7 months total from cruise to max dose. But that will be my entire off season and then I’ll cruise again before starting prep in December ????

So this time I’ve been a bit better with my blood work, I’ve been admittedly not so good at it before. I took bloods at the end of my last blast, my liver was off so I corrected this and took them again 3 weeks later to find they were back in range. Then took them another 5 weeks later at the end of the cruise to make sure everything was good for me to blast. I haven’t done them since then but will do again in another 4-6 weeks and then decide wether I want to continue or not based on that!

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I very much like the idea of tapering up these days. I used to go in to a blast with the mentality that, in order to grow I’d have to use more than before. Now I start fairly low and taper up as things start to stall and I’ve made huge progress on much less. So my cruise was 250mg Test E weekly, from there I went to 500 Test and 400 NPP, then after a couple of months added 900 Primo, then a couple of months on from that I’m at 765 Test, 600 NPP and 900 Primo, and still progressing very well, being the biggest and strongest I’ve ever been, on less drugs.

If I had started this off season the old way I’d have gone in at 1,000mg Test, 800 NPP and probably 450 Tren on top of the Primo and I’d definitely have stalled by now.

I still have room to increase a little but I doubt I’ll even make it to those top dosages I mentioned and probably won’t even use the Tren this off season. I know those doses I stated are higher than you’ve suggested for yourself but the idea still applies, perhaps try starting with a little and getting the most of it and then creeping doses up. 🙂

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Always drawn with a green and shot with a blue but may change to orange, especially for delts as I seem to get some leakage there sometimes

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