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i know that a lot of us guys don’t bother to run primo because its so heavily faked and so expencive.
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the substance itself is awesome, esp. the fullness and the pump it brings but the pip is fucking annoying. if it already crashed when stored at room temperature it will most likely hurt! the real pip starts around 2.5-3 days post injection so good luck ????.
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@rotties
you might be lucky and have only slight or even no pip at all but sooner or later you will have a shitty shot.
on my first shot i put 1ml(200mg/ml) in my right shoulder and was fine. on my 2nd shot, i put 1ml in my glute and had to take nsars after day 3 because i felt like i got kicked by a horse. it all depends on what carrier oil and how much/what solvents the lab uses! BB is the main solvent but at the amount you need to keep the dhb in solution, you will get pip! 200mg/ml needes almost twice the amount of BB as usually used without it falling out of the solution and everything over the common mark will most likely give you pip (thats just the solvent, not even the compound). the next problem is that even if it doesn’t crash in the vial… the solvents will dispose faster than the dhb and the oil, so what happens next is, it crashes in the muscle, leading to mind boggling pip. what you can do is to dillute the dhb with other compounds or sterile oil. this will help in most cases. the less total mg of dhb, the better and you need to rotate sites! its crucial. thats all the info i can give out atm.
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ah… and if you get bad pip, don’t try massage the spot. it will make things much worse!
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its a great compound except for the pip. used it for around 6 weeks at 400mg /week and had at least 1 bad shot a week so i stopped it. 100mg/shot seems to bethe upper limit. everything above will leave you in pain for days. the pip will usually start at day 3 and will last (depending in the amount and concentration) around 3-5 days. meanwhile i have figured out whats causing the pip but still struggle to make a pip free product with more than 80mg/ml. so my tip if you want to try it… stay away from products that are dosed higher than 100/ml and don’t inject more than 1ml/muscle at a time!!!
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tbh no because once you go lower than 200 mg of tren a week, you are not really getting as much of its cosmetic benefits and mast is pretty weak. i think you will look better on just 200mg of tren ace than on a mix of tren and mast if you keep the total dose at 200mg. if you are also taking var and test with your tren and you are not doing (for example) a show, i think adding a 4th compound would be pointless.
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@jonnyjhutch
any compound that won’t give you a lot of side effects, thats affordable, easily available and won’t have much negative impact on your appetite and your well being (esp. in the offseason). i would consider 500mg of test a gamechanger for basically everybody (if they are not already using it). a few hundred extra mg of npp, deca or eq can be a gamechanger if you add them ontop of your testosterone base. insulin can be a gamechanger. all cheap and effective with a low side effect profile.
primo is a nice addition because it won’t come with a lot of side effects but its expencive, might be fake or underdosed quite often (depending on your source) and isn’t particularly strong. if you can source it and if you have the extra money to spend on primo, thats great but if not, stick to the basic compounds.
if you havent maxed out your testosterone dosages (personal dependant but lets say 600-1500mg a week), you don’t really “need” primo imo.e-mail: avatarderboss@hotmail.de
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i would look into 5-alpha-hydroxy-laxogenin. i personally have no experience with it but on paper this comopound could be very beneficial when it comes to pct.
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@ramadan-zogaj
tbh, i would care about the quality because for the amount 1 vial of primo costs, it better be fucking primo!
otherwhise you could use test or eq instead straight away, get the same (or simular) results and save half of your money.
if you know your “primo” is fake or something is wrong with it and you still pay the full price, you should first of all question your source and you should rethink your approach. if i could not get my hands on real primo i would rather use more of the cheaper basic compounds that work for me personally and save my money or spend it on better quality food instead. primo is a great addition to any cycle but its not a gamechanger!!!! just my 2 cents though…e-mail: avatarderboss@hotmail.de
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im doing 400 test cyp and 500 primo right now. usually i would use an ai with my test but with primo, i don’t need it. on 250 you should need no ai, esp. not with 1g of primo! if you are having estrogenic sides,im pretty sure there is something wrong with your primo!
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agree with hilly
i would say it depends on your current goals. for optimal fat oxidation, lower but frequent dosing might be smarter. for gaining muscle, “big” bolus spikes of igf1 (secreted by the liver after taking hgh) might be better. also using it on your trianing days in combination with insulin will bring additional benefits (both in muscle growth and also in inhibiting body fat accrual from insulin use). it really depends on your Situation and on how your body reacts in terms of side effects.e-mail: avatarderboss@hotmail.de
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if you don’t suffer from any dht related side effcts i would see slightly elevated DHT level as a good thing.
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https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/27/11/1558/2715265
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primo is a dht derivative. dht is an antagonist of e2 so it should actually lower your estrogen. the primo raw is very expencive to produce so a lot of ugls might stretch or even replace it with eq, test prop or even a low dose of deca to save money or to make up for a temporary high demand. if “primo” gives you estrogen related problems, chances are high that its not primo. if you are running primo aside a high test base (or another aromatizing compound) you might need an ai or serm to keep e2 in check. i would do bloodwork to see where you are at. if you know your estrogen baseline on just test you should be able to tell if your “primo” does aromatize or not.
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orals have the big benefit of having non androgen receptor mediated effects so even if all your androgen receptors are “taken”, they will still give you good results without dramatically increasing androgenic side effects (like a higher dose of test would) , thats why they are great for breaking plateaus.
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