[bigjack_1989]

If I were you I would come off n pct.

Reset.

Then run a long cycle in 8-10 weeks

the only consideration with that is having a compromised immune system during this period is not ideal.

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Jack Ellis wrote:

cheers for responses guys. interesting point regarding gains v health impact. what blood test would you suggest getting to check health? is the full medichecks male panel needed or would one of the lesser tests be adequate?tbh even 1g is a lot in my opinion, if more is required that would make me reconsider!

If your so concerned with health you would want the most comprehensive one surely ?

Ok to be honest if you feel 1g is slot n that puts you off then forget being a Mr Universe etc in general.

Just go n look at the sponsored guys on here. All top amateur n new pro n all
Using more n have been for a while.

You may be able to but if you have been at this a year or 2 already you’ll know if you can get away with less.

Facts are 1g is average comp
Cycle n low dose if we’re all not going to beat around the push.

3ml of a simple one tip
Plus 50mg var a day is 950mg.

This is a common holiday cycle lol

Lol I appreciate the honesty mate. I had an inclination that the dosages required would be high but nice to get some further info from guys who are in the know.

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cheers for responses guys. interesting point regarding gains v health impact. what blood test would you suggest getting to check health? is the full medichecks male panel needed or would one of the lesser tests be adequate?

tbh even 1g is a lot in my opinion, if more is required that would make me reconsider!

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Jack Ellis wrote:

I have a question on the back of that – what if prior to going on a cycle you already had low test levels ? then coming off v trt between cycle wudnt make much sense?

You mean if someone has poor fertility levels before starting?
Then you should accept the risk you are taking which worst case scenario means you will be conceiving through in natural measures.
As Ryan says full pct is far better for fertility but if you do not plan to stay off for atleast 3 months minimum there is zero point imo
Many don’t or can’t stay off long enough to have any effect at all

no I meant if prior to starting gear you already had low test levels, therefore after your cycle if you come off and do pct you are surely just going to return to your previous low levels? fertility has never been an issue

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I have a question on the back of that – what if prior to going on a cycle you already had low test levels ? then coming off v trt between cycle wudnt make much sense?

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@ryanpetford – I’m in a similar situation myself. Currently 5 days into pct protocol from doing my first ever cycle of 250mg test e for 12 weeks. Would you reccomend me going back on test to ensure my immune system is strong during this difficult time

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Not ideal timing for me I had just come off my first ever 12 week cycle of 250mg test the day before! Now doing PCT protocol but I’m concerned about immune system health at a time like this

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PCT, don’t cruise on your first ever cycle you will end up dependant on it and you might not even know if its for you yet. JP suggests that you do a couple of cycles before getting on permanently. It’s a big decision to make.

Thanks for the advice, what PCT protocol would be required? Is just HCG sufficient?

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Bump for responses

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I’ve been using this same lab for the last 10 weeks. Had bloods done and mine were legit