Brad
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Also wondering the same thing. From what i’ve read though test dosage doesn’t necessarily need increasing you could decrease it and add another compound for example primo or npp. Would like to hear what the experienced members think also on going forward from a first cycle.
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I just track everything on myfitnesspal and get the numbers that way. So the protein for example will be protein from everything i’ve had that day.
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Hi mate
I think the main determinant for this will be your recovery capability.
If you feel you’re in a position to be able to recover sufficiently to allow consistent progress, give it a go.
I’d also suggest that your programming will need more careful consideration. Going from legs to pull the next day will need some intelligent programming
Thanks for the advice appreciate it. Would you prefer option 1 then? That way pull would never be the day after legs due to the rest periods between legs.[/quote]
I think what I would prefer isn’t necessarily what’s best for you mate.
You will see a lot of the guys run that split, and that’s with good reason. It’s a great set up if you have the “get go” to really take your sets all the way.
I think largely people are guilty of not getting enough rest, so from that perspective, it’s a good bet.
That said, when it comes to what’s optimal, that really will come down to your recovery strategies and capacity, and I’m afraid I just can’t answer that for you with what we have mate
[/quote]Okay no problem thanks. I originally was doing 6x a week PPL and lifts were still going up each week, aswell as putting good size on. I’d had a long time out the gym before getting back into it maybe 6 months ago. Felt like i was recovering well also. Judging by this would you still add more rest days than 1 each week or stick to what i’m doing and progressing with? I’m also in a surplus right now and cardio isn’t in the programme, maybe this helps with recovery?
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Hi mate
I think the main determinant for this will be your recovery capability.
If you feel you’re in a position to be able to recover sufficiently to allow consistent progress, give it a go.
I’d also suggest that your programming will need more careful consideration. Going from legs to pull the next day will need some intelligent programming
Thanks for the advice appreciate it. Would you prefer option 1 then? That way pull would never be the day after legs due to the rest periods between legs.
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Second one (2 on 1 off) my bad.
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Also wanting to know the answer to this regarding fertility. Ideally i want to do what you’re doing and TRT when not on a blast for a while. I wouldn’t mind doing a full PCT protocol when the time comes to wanting to try for a kid though, just don’t want the B&C to mess my fertility up to the point it can’t be fixed with a PCT. If i remember rightly mate Hilly came off completely to fix his fertility and did a full PCT protocol like i mentioned so that might be the best method to go down? Hopefully someone more experienced can answer our questions though!
Yeah man it’s the experiences and difficulties, also knowing how long he was on for and still fixed it. Just really don’t want to not be on TRT as it’s improved my mood, sex drive, sense of well being, even made my skin better, at the same time having children/a child is quite an important thing to me.[/quote]
Done quite a bit of reading up about fertility side of things and i’ve seen a lot of people do still get their mrs pregnant during B&C then saw others add HCG into their B&C to assist with fertility and this allowed them to get their mrs pregnant. If you try these and no luck then i’d definitely give coming off and doing a full PCT protocol a shot.Seems very individual to each person how easy/hard you’ll find the fertility situation. Not experienced in this but just what i’ve seen with some research.
@Hilly thoughts? Worth sticking on blast and cruise seeing if fertility can still happen while on? Is coming off to PCT a MUST to get someone pregnant?
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So im 28, this was my 3rd cycle after 20months off PEDs.. also my training prior to this cycle was very minimal due to Gym Closures and lockdowns etc. So i started at the lightest i had weighed since covid in March 2020.
Cycle:-
Rohm Test E @ 400mg p/w
Weeks 1-5 40mg Rohm Tbol Pre Workout
Weeks 12-16 50mg Rohm Anavar Pre Workout
The tbol felt unreal, not sure if this was me responding early on to the test and water retention but the tbol seemed to give me crazzzzy pumps. Not sure if this is common?
Start = 182lbs
Week 16 = 206lbs
Now the battle to try keep as much of this hard work as I can.
How come you want to do a full PCT over blasting and cruising? Are you wanting to stay off the gear for some time now? Won’t gains be harder to maintain while PCT’ing aswell?
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Also wanting to know the answer to this regarding fertility. Ideally i want to do what you’re doing and TRT when not on a blast for a while. I wouldn’t mind doing a full PCT protocol when the time comes to wanting to try for a kid though, just don’t want the B&C to mess my fertility up to the point it can’t be fixed with a PCT. If i remember rightly mate Hilly came off completely to fix his fertility and did a full PCT protocol like i mentioned so that might be the best method to go down? Hopefully someone more experienced can answer our questions though!
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Thanks for the reply Hilly. Regarding the fertility side of things if i did choose to blast and cruise for a while i remember seeing you advised to always come off for a few months to get everything back in check yearly. If i chose to do this next year for example (possibly towards the back end of next year) would this help with fertility issues? This is only my first cycle i’m on now so haven’t been doing it for a long time.
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Hey,
Ultimately you will lose muscle via trt or pct. You cannot hold onto the same tissue you had on anabolics when off. So health wise I would look to pct as you are young and trt doesn’t make sense unless you have no natural test. Clean out, get healthy then when you go back on you will have muscle memory return quickly and then you can push on from there. Each time it can be 2 steps forward one back etc. This is why many don’t come off at all or cruise, Ultimately this is a bad choice for health
Thanks for the reply. How long would you advise staying off for after a PCT as i do know that i’ll want to come back on just the main concern for me is fertility only being 23 and knowing i’ll want to have children most likely in the next 3 years. My natural test levels before starting was 18.4 nmol/L.
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It is individual but I have always found with anyone if you are training balls to the wall you should require a rest day after 2 days.
The 3rd day for me carries way too much fatigue to complete a solid sessions
That’s why for me 2 on 1 off always wins!!
Less is more!! Never undervalue the importance of recovery ??
Regarding the 2 on 1 off if my split it PPL am i right in thinking you’d do this:
Week 1:
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull
Rest
Push
Week 2:
Legs
Rest
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull[/quote]Yeah, I’ve also had great success with;
Pull
Push
Off
Legs
Off
Repeat
Rest day either side of legs basically [/quote]
So like this mate? Week 1 works out 5x a week then week 2 4x a week training. Would you throw some cardio into rest days as i think i’d get abit bored with 3 rest days in one week. Cheers for the reply![/quote]
Yup that’s how I’ve done it before.
Again it’s entirely based on you as individual and how you recover etc personally it works well for me as I need the rest around my leg days you may not..
Adding cardio would depend on your overall goal too and also just eating into your recovery also[/quote]
Seems like it may work well for me to be honest resting around leg day. As sometimes i’ll find if i hit legs then pull the day after my lower back is still abit sore.[/quote]
Yeah mate, again just assess your recovery and adjust accordingly there is no one size fits all.
If you check the education section Jordan discusses about Upper and Lower and also how to set up PPL I pretty much started with upper/lower and then after 12months or so went to PPL [/quote]
No worries thanks for the help -
It is individual but I have always found with anyone if you are training balls to the wall you should require a rest day after 2 days.
The 3rd day for me carries way too much fatigue to complete a solid sessions
That’s why for me 2 on 1 off always wins!!
Less is more!! Never undervalue the importance of recovery ??
Regarding the 2 on 1 off if my split it PPL am i right in thinking you’d do this:
Week 1:
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull
Rest
Push
Week 2:
Legs
Rest
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull[/quote]Yeah, I’ve also had great success with;
Pull
Push
Off
Legs
Off
Repeat
Rest day either side of legs basically [/quote]
So like this mate? Week 1 works out 5x a week then week 2 4x a week training. Would you throw some cardio into rest days as i think i’d get abit bored with 3 rest days in one week. Cheers for the reply![/quote]
Yup that’s how I’ve done it before.
Again it’s entirely based on you as individual and how you recover etc personally it works well for me as I need the rest around my leg days you may not..
Adding cardio would depend on your overall goal too and also just eating into your recovery also[/quote]
Seems like it may work well for me to be honest resting around leg day. As sometimes i’ll find if i hit legs then pull the day after my lower back is still abit sore. -
It is individual but I have always found with anyone if you are training balls to the wall you should require a rest day after 2 days.
The 3rd day for me carries way too much fatigue to complete a solid sessions
That’s why for me 2 on 1 off always wins!!
Less is more!! Never undervalue the importance of recovery ??
Regarding the 2 on 1 off if my split it PPL am i right in thinking you’d do this:
Week 1:
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull
Rest
Push
Week 2:
Legs
Rest
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull[/quote]Yeah, I’ve also had great success with;
Pull
Push
Off
Legs
Off
Repeat
Rest day either side of legs basically [/quote]
So like this mate? Week 1 works out 5x a week then week 2 4x a week training. Would you throw some cardio into rest days as i think i’d get abit bored with 3 rest days in one week. Cheers for the reply!
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It is individual but I have always found with anyone if you are training balls to the wall you should require a rest day after 2 days.
The 3rd day for me carries way too much fatigue to complete a solid sessions
That’s why for me 2 on 1 off always wins!!
Less is more!! Never undervalue the importance of recovery ??
Regarding the 2 on 1 off if my split it PPL am i right in thinking you’d do this:
Week 1:
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull
Rest
Push
Week 2:
Legs
Rest
Pull
Push
Rest
Legs
Pull
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Thanks all for the replies. I feel like i am recovering as my lifts are progressing each week but maybe that extra rest day will help even more who knows, will give 5x a week a go instead of 6 seeing how i get on.
