[Dan Perks]

I think hrt would absolutely help! E2 tends to make most things feel better joint / connective tissue wise

Sorry for the late reply, thanks JP appreciate your reply, we will look into the HRT option and try to find some more research on it

[Dan Perks]

Thank you gents, confirmed many of my concerns to be honest. I’ve seen some studies done in post menopausal women using HRT and GH to reduce RA symptoms (the candidate in question here though is a pre menopausal female) but the studies are largely inconclusive with regards to the impact GH has on BMD, the results did show that increasing E2 helped the patients symptoms but I’d guess any HRT post menopause would help them feel better.

Think it’s best to leave it out though. Cheers again

[Dan Perks]

It doesnt make alot of sense to me to be honest.

Why are you running the first phase for just 4 weeks?

Why are you then using both mast and primo – this could potentially crash your E2 unless you have blood work from previous cycles showing this mix keeps you in range on this dose of testosterone and again why for 5 weeks?

then the last phase is for 9 weeks – why the little bump in test to go with the NPP?

I dont like set time frames that are different and this short in the first instance.

personally I would run the 250mg test for 6-8 weeks and monitor results on this and get bloods taken to asses hormones.

Based on this and progress if you need/want to step the cycle forward and its a growth cycle I would likely add in 200-300mg primo on top and run this for for 6-8 weeks potentially longer if progress continues to be made.

Now here you could simply end the cycle and move to a cruise if progress has stalled or blood work shows the need or you are changing goal (i.e need to mini cut or body is feeling beat up). If progress is still happening you could simply sit as you are and continue to progress.

If you want to step the cycle forward again for your own reasons and try NPP you could then simply add 150mg NPP to this current dosing. You wold need to consider that your E2 may spike here however, if you have previous info that would support this a change from primo to masteron may be wise as it has a stronger AI effect than primo at the same dosing IME.

Gh seems fine.

Tel – if you have BP issues and feel its needed then it is certainly an option but I would be aiming to utilise TBJP love heart and your nutrition, body comp and fitness levels to control BP first personally.

Met I would use just 500mg unless your BG readings show the need for more.

I would prefer shots done MWF ideally also as I feel this gives a better hormone balance.

Thanks for reply Mate, I’ll run back and rethink the plan taking this into account, the aim is to put on as much size as possible this off season as I’m on a time frame for certain goals I want to achieve and this is running down quicker than I hoped, I’ve run test at 400 and primo at 500mg before with no issues but definitely stalled in progress towards the end of that cycle.

I originally wanted to run 400test and 700mg primo but cost impacted that hence the addition of NPP.

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This is were it becomes a personal decision then.

IMO running the above is the healthiest way of pyramiding up and will achieve very good progress.

You could and people do just immediately start on were there end dose would be and this may well illicit more gains over the same time frame but comes with more impact on health for obvious reasons.[/quote]
Thanks Hilly, Appreciate your help as always, I think I’ll pyramid my test up and see how that goes and then if all
Is good add the primo in and go from there

[Dan Perks]

It doesnt make alot of sense to me to be honest.

Why are you running the first phase for just 4 weeks?

Why are you then using both mast and primo – this could potentially crash your E2 unless you have blood work from previous cycles showing this mix keeps you in range on this dose of testosterone and again why for 5 weeks?

then the last phase is for 9 weeks – why the little bump in test to go with the NPP?

I dont like set time frames that are different and this short in the first instance.

personally I would run the 250mg test for 6-8 weeks and monitor results on this and get bloods taken to asses hormones.

Based on this and progress if you need/want to step the cycle forward and its a growth cycle I would likely add in 200-300mg primo on top and run this for for 6-8 weeks potentially longer if progress continues to be made.

Now here you could simply end the cycle and move to a cruise if progress has stalled or blood work shows the need or you are changing goal (i.e need to mini cut or body is feeling beat up). If progress is still happening you could simply sit as you are and continue to progress.

If you want to step the cycle forward again for your own reasons and try NPP you could then simply add 150mg NPP to this current dosing. You wold need to consider that your E2 may spike here however, if you have previous info that would support this a change from primo to masteron may be wise as it has a stronger AI effect than primo at the same dosing IME.

Gh seems fine.

Tel – if you have BP issues and feel its needed then it is certainly an option but I would be aiming to utilise TBJP love heart and your nutrition, body comp and fitness levels to control BP first personally.

Met I would use just 500mg unless your BG readings show the need for more.

I would prefer shots done MWF ideally also as I feel this gives a better hormone balance.

Thanks for reply Mate, I’ll run back and rethink the plan taking this into account, the aim is to put on as much size as possible this off season as I’m on a time frame for certain goals I want to achieve and this is running down quicker than I hoped, I’ve run test at 400 and primo at 500mg before with no issues but definitely stalled in progress towards the end of that cycle.

I originally wanted to run 400test and 700mg primo but cost impacted that hence the addition of NPP.

[Dan Perks]

I cant see any need to at all unless the levels were elevated outside of range for some reason. Its not something I have ever done personally.

Thanks mate, it was just a random thought on wether it has an impact in any way

[Dan Perks]

350 test
250 mast
250 primo
100 npp
This is what I would do in your case
This would be cheaper and more effective imo and little less total mg also
Mast and primo both very similar so no issue using both here. I actually like a mix of both in prep. Mast I’ve found driving estro down little more than primo

Thanks Kuba, I’ve got some last but never used it so I’ll factor that in!

[Dan Perks]

That should do it, aslong as the primo is real

Seems to be, no issue with it so far

[Dan Perks]

Sorry for the delay, thank for the replies gents, I added in 300mg p-5-p a week or so ago and was advised to increase my primo to 400mg per week to bring Estrogen down a little (advise from a well known source of information) already feeing great at the minute

[Dan Perks]

You have to do the necessary but going down to 500 calories for me wouldn’t be an option, if body wasn’t responding that well I would adresss either offseason or the prep

If both were managed correctly I can’t ever see a setting where ANYONE would

Need to go that low

I agree it feels extreme, we were confident prep and off-season were on point, all feedback for the first 12weeks of prep was positive was this came as a shock. Will definitely be asking some questions to try and understand why it’s necessary but at the moment it feels a bit over the top[/quote]

If all was on point I see 0 need to take it that low if I am honest [/quote]
Thanks Kuba. I will encourage some hard questions towards the coach and see if there is any justification

[Dan Perks]

You have to do the necessary but going down to 500 calories for me wouldn’t be an option, if body wasn’t responding that well I would adresss either offseason or the prep

If both were managed correctly I can’t ever see a setting where ANYONE would

Need to go that low

I agree it feels extreme, we were confident prep and off-season were on point, all feedback for the first 12weeks of prep was positive was this came as a shock. Will definitely be asking some questions to try and understand why it’s necessary but at the moment it feels a bit over the top

[Dan Perks]

Id also add this is sure fire going to cause some major food focus and the rebound will not be pretty at all so I hope she has discussed with the coach how he intends to handle this and improve the process for future preps

Thanks Hilly, we are a little lost to be honest as the prep looked to be going great and coach was happy until making a random u-turn on Saturday, I think there are some
Much bigger questions to be asked here now, thanks mate

[Dan Perks]

This is very difficult to answer, not only because she’s working with a coach, but because we have no context as to why she has been asked to do this. When it comes to competing and getting in shape for a specific stage date, sometimes it’s necessary to go quite extreme with the diet in order to get the job done.

If this coach has a good reputation and she’s been happy with the results so far, then I would have trust in them. If you have any concerns though, then she has every right to ask them any questions.

Thanks Clare, I appreciate the context is tough but I can’t seem to get photos to load, I don’t want to cause issues for the coach either, think I will encourage an open conversation to ascertain why this is necessary

[Dan Perks]

Thanks guys, I’m pretty sure the primo I got is real (crown pharma) so I’ll stick with that and play with dose depend on blood work at that stage

[Dan Perks]

That dose you will need to see how you feel Dan, as some people won’t feel great on 150/300 , you will look great , but mood maybe a bit hmm. I feel fine on that , some feel better on day 200/300 , or 250/300 . Libido is such a gd bit of feedback , if you feel it lower , Up the test lower the primo

Thank you Jordan, makes sense, typically I find 200mg per week test my sweet spot for TRT so may make sense to keep it there.

[Dan Perks]

@Hilly quick follow up question, do you think the 150mg test 300mg primo could be run for as long as 14weeks?