[David Green]

Try making your own “mass gainer” or high calorie shake;

30g – 45g – Iso Pro

100g – Powdered oats

100g – Banana

20g – Natural honey

30g – Coconut oil (I find nut butters go a bit weird in shakes if they’re left too long)

Something like that. Blend it and stick it into a 1L shaker

Also any alternative to nut butter or coconut oil ?

[David Green]

Just out of question, when going back to using fixed insulin syringes, are you using the 0.5mm and also which sites are you rotating and does it have to be shallow im or is sub q sustainable for ED

[David Green]

Thank you Andy, do you have any recommendations on any go. To brands you’d choose I’d had to grab a protein bars, or is there even a way to make one yourself

[David Green]

Makes most sense to do daily, you will notice you can control your estrogen better and with most people I often get feedback they actually feel better even when doses are higher.

I believe micro dosing daily is the way to go

I usually pin using 30g yellow tops 0.5 and brown 1.5’s 25g I think I used to use insulin needles, if pining daily, what’ would you recommend on which needles are most necessary and site rotation

[David Green]

Hey buddy

What I’d look at here is not so much the exact milligrams, but the role each compound plays in the overall androgen signal.

Testosterone, even when you increase it from a cruise level, is basically the “environment builder”: it sets the baseline, gives estrogen, wellbeing, pump, and a stable androgen tone. From there, every added compound should ideally add a different type of signal, not just more of the same.

Tren is a very high-affinity, dominant androgen. Even at low amounts, it tends to become the main signal the androgen receptor responds to. When it’s in the mix, the stack is no longer “test-based with an addition”, it becomes “tren-driven”, because its binding strength and persistence override most other inputs. That’s why the question is less “is the ratio good” and more “do I actually want a tren-centric signal at this stage”.

Primo, on the other hand, sits in a completely different category. It doesn’t try to dominate the receptor. It acts more as a DHT-type modulator: it refines the signal coming from testosterone, improves receptor tone, keeps things cleaner and more readable for the body, without changing the whole character of the cycle. In that sense, test + primo keeps the architecture linear and predictable, while test + tren changes the architecture entirely.

So conceptually, you’re choosing between two philosophies:

1/ one where you keep testosterone as the main driver and add something that improves the quality of that signal (like primo),

2/ and one where you introduce a compound that redefines the signal altogether (tren), even if the number on paper looks small.

Once that distinction is clear, the decision usually becomes much easier, because it’s no longer about balancing doses, but about deciding what kind of physiological message you want your body to receive.

Ludo thank you for that in depth explanation it definitely has taught me some things to consider, I’ve decided to go with the 300 test and 200 primo instead, see how I go, do you have any advice regarding GH and would I get worth whole benefits to an off season and adding it in on top of the test and primo, say starting 2 iu a night then maybe I’d taper up if needed [/quote]

If looking to use GH n dosing amounts are limited I would look at 5-6iu every other day or 3 x a week pre bed as a starting point in off season.

I have pretty good results with this for newer users to AAS n GH. [/quote]

Would you say 5-6 IU’s 3x a week or 2-3 IU’s every night pre bed [/quote]

I think i already said 5-6iu pre bed buddy in my post.

I would look to change this to 2iu on wake if I was in a fat loss stage and looking to maximise lipolysis but in general this effect isnt going to be dramatic and find the higher EOD dosing gives more overall in any phase [/quote]
Sorry my bad I meant would it better with the 3 x a week or Every night frequency, but I hear what your saying thanks, so even if it’s EPD dosing but larger volume like 5-6 IU’s it’s still better

[David Green]

Hey buddy

What I’d look at here is not so much the exact milligrams, but the role each compound plays in the overall androgen signal.

Testosterone, even when you increase it from a cruise level, is basically the “environment builder”: it sets the baseline, gives estrogen, wellbeing, pump, and a stable androgen tone. From there, every added compound should ideally add a different type of signal, not just more of the same.

Tren is a very high-affinity, dominant androgen. Even at low amounts, it tends to become the main signal the androgen receptor responds to. When it’s in the mix, the stack is no longer “test-based with an addition”, it becomes “tren-driven”, because its binding strength and persistence override most other inputs. That’s why the question is less “is the ratio good” and more “do I actually want a tren-centric signal at this stage”.

Primo, on the other hand, sits in a completely different category. It doesn’t try to dominate the receptor. It acts more as a DHT-type modulator: it refines the signal coming from testosterone, improves receptor tone, keeps things cleaner and more readable for the body, without changing the whole character of the cycle. In that sense, test + primo keeps the architecture linear and predictable, while test + tren changes the architecture entirely.

So conceptually, you’re choosing between two philosophies:

1/ one where you keep testosterone as the main driver and add something that improves the quality of that signal (like primo),

2/ and one where you introduce a compound that redefines the signal altogether (tren), even if the number on paper looks small.

Once that distinction is clear, the decision usually becomes much easier, because it’s no longer about balancing doses, but about deciding what kind of physiological message you want your body to receive.

Ludo thank you for that in depth explanation it definitely has taught me some things to consider, I’ve decided to go with the 300 test and 200 primo instead, see how I go, do you have any advice regarding GH and would I get worth whole benefits to an off season and adding it in on top of the test and primo, say starting 2 iu a night then maybe I’d taper up if needed [/quote]

If looking to use GH n dosing amounts are limited I would look at 5-6iu every other day or 3 x a week pre bed as a starting point in off season.

I have pretty good results with this for newer users to AAS n GH. [/quote]
Would you say 5-6 IU’s 3x a week or 2-3 IU’s every night pre bed

[David Green]

In terms of a Leg day, if I want to add in a deadlift on either of my leg sessions ( A&B ) , would you recommend RDL or SLDL for maximal hypertrophy

[David Green]

This will work for sure but I can think of a better make up nutritionally.

Oat flour/rice flour based on digestion

macadamia/avocado oil

Honey

banana/dates

Protein powder

water or milk based on dietary requirements and how many cals you want.

Salt

Can you give me some amounts on these please, I’ll ideally like the most calories possible, a good amount of protein 30+g and 40-60g carb atleast

[David Green]

Hey buddy,

I wouldn’t opt for biscoff spread personally or whole milk, but if your digestion and skin is ok with whole milk then I don’t see why not, especially with the need for calories there.

I really like Hilly’s recommendation:)

Hey what’s an alternative you’d recommend instead of whole milk for skin issue, never noticed but maybe it does affect my skin slightly

[David Green]

Hey buddy

What I’d look at here is not so much the exact milligrams, but the role each compound plays in the overall androgen signal.

Testosterone, even when you increase it from a cruise level, is basically the “environment builder”: it sets the baseline, gives estrogen, wellbeing, pump, and a stable androgen tone. From there, every added compound should ideally add a different type of signal, not just more of the same.

Tren is a very high-affinity, dominant androgen. Even at low amounts, it tends to become the main signal the androgen receptor responds to. When it’s in the mix, the stack is no longer “test-based with an addition”, it becomes “tren-driven”, because its binding strength and persistence override most other inputs. That’s why the question is less “is the ratio good” and more “do I actually want a tren-centric signal at this stage”.

Primo, on the other hand, sits in a completely different category. It doesn’t try to dominate the receptor. It acts more as a DHT-type modulator: it refines the signal coming from testosterone, improves receptor tone, keeps things cleaner and more readable for the body, without changing the whole character of the cycle. In that sense, test + primo keeps the architecture linear and predictable, while test + tren changes the architecture entirely.

So conceptually, you’re choosing between two philosophies:

1/ one where you keep testosterone as the main driver and add something that improves the quality of that signal (like primo),

2/ and one where you introduce a compound that redefines the signal altogether (tren), even if the number on paper looks small.

Once that distinction is clear, the decision usually becomes much easier, because it’s no longer about balancing doses, but about deciding what kind of physiological message you want your body to receive.

Ludo thank you for that in depth explanation it definitely has taught me some things to consider, I’ve decided to go with the 300 test and 200 primo instead, see how I go, do you have any advice regarding GH and would I get worth whole benefits to an off season and adding it in on top of the test and primo, say starting 2 iu a night then maybe I’d taper up if needed

[David Green]

goal of cycle? are you dieting/growing?

I would be more inclined to run 300mg test and 200mg primo personally either way and asses response and then if want to run tren add in just 50-75mg per week for a duration

Ok I’ll take your advice thank you, I do want to avoid tren fo as long as possible and goal of cycle is growing

[David Green]

Feeling good on test 300, all blood work in right areas

[David Green]

Can anyone please confirm this is legit ^

[David Green]

Hey buddy,

I wouldn’t opt for biscoff spread personally or whole milk, but if your digestion and skin is ok with whole milk then I don’t see why not, especially with the need for calories there.

I really like Hilly’s recommendation:)

Hey Would you have an alternative for biscoff spread or leave it out completely ?

[David Green]

This will work for sure but I can think of a better make up nutritionally.

Oat flour/rice flour based on digestion

macadamia/avocado oil

Honey

banana/dates

Protein powder

water or milk based on dietary requirements and how many cals you want.

Salt

Thanks for your reply how much would you suggest for avacado oil, honey, banana as not a fan of dates, to add to the shake ?