[faby47]

Ive had a client like this before and he simply couldn’t get on with Test E but was fine with Test C so this would be my first move.

Have you had bloodwork done to see if everything is ok here?

I’ve switched to Test C now for the last 3 shots and looks like it’s way better! No swelling or problems so far, been doing 0.75ml shots in 2 spots 2x weekly and so far no problems, no flu like simptoms or anything like that – I feel great! I guess the Test E really was the problem. Will see how to goes when I get to 1ml per site.

There was nothing special on the BW – atleast not out of the ordinary. The only thing that was showing a sign of a problem was CRP which has been ~25 when I used more than 375mg/week of test e – like 500mg/week or more. Will retest this after I get to about 6th week of test c with 600-800mg/week to see if CRP is still elevated.

Thank you! Atleast I know I’m not the only one – therefore I can process it much easier that things like this do exist (that somebody might not tolerate a certain compound even if the base hormone is the same but different ester).

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[faby47]

Could be the solvents used as opposed to carrier oil. Your body could have developed a dislike to benzyl alcohol or benzyl benzoate – makes sense as it symptoms reduce when you mix compounds together – perhaps diluting the concentration of BA / BB.

I’ve considered this until I’ve tried 5 others brands with different carrier oils from Grape seed oil to flax seed oi, camellia oil etc. Now for the BA/BB concentration it’s hard to know, some products had it written on the label others didn’t but overall I’ve tolerated everything else from the same supplier but Test E. Mixing does help and yeah it could also have an impact.

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[faby47]

Congratz on your last showing! YOu really pushed hard for this one (Y) It was a mind challange for sure and I can’t wait to see you blast this offseason… where do you see yourself in 2-3 years? In terms of muscle mass etc.

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[faby47]

I only use it in prep to feel better (less drained due to mineral retention) and fuller. Also brings sessions to the next level and really keeps performance high. I use it ED split dosage (not like a preworkout). Preworkout scenario would be in offseason but can’t tolerate it when food is high due to apetite crash and lethargy.

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[faby47]

IMO depends on the side effects and how sensitive you are. Also bloodwork numbers have to be in check especially using after using orals. I’d say 8 weeks minimum. Honestly if you are in the “figure class” range of muscle mass then 70mg primo per week (10mg/day) and maybe 10mg/day anavar is plenty. Focus on food, rest and recovery. Spare the higher doses (like going over 150mg/week total) for pre-contest.

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[faby47]

ooh you are in Croatia? That’s near my country Slovenia! Have a great vacation man! I am silently following your progression 😛

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[faby47]

Insane man! Brutal progress!

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[faby47]

Awesome to see you competing last minute! What was the reasoning for the ban in the NPC? Damn. Following this log!

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[faby47]

Very very nice bloods for a person at your muscle mass/weight and running almost 3g of total anabolics… that’s insane. It shows how different we are because I’ve seen guys on 800mg total of anabolics of test and deca with worse bloods than this which is interesting. I’m glad seeing the blast is going well and that you keep health pretty high on the priority list 🙂

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[faby47]

WHen will the bloods come in? I’m super excited seeing them 😀 and also how far you can push staying pretty lean… you know we all expect some photo of that right? 😛 jk, but would be damn awesome to see how you look at this weight now.

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[faby47]

You mean test undecanoate AKA nebido from bayer? This is the official “TRT” that people get over here in some EU countries. I think it’s a bad idea even if the halflife of undecanoate is almost like 30 days or so? Going over the 6-7 week mark I’m pretty sure the levels will start to dip pretty badly and even if you would have some test in you it would be close to hypogonadal feeling. If you have an option for getting a gel than that’s a better option just from the hormone stability perspective.

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[faby47]

@morning_iron
Yeah, well the thing with don’t expect too much is from that instant gratification complex people have. If they don’t see something moving, hitting, progressing right away it’s probably useless shit. It’s usualy the mentality behind it. Because with test you have that fullness with water retention and you know right away you are gaining something, same with deca and tren makes you harder and dryer right away. Orals especialy make drastic changes in a matter of days, like I see mad vascularity changes in 3-4 days of using 30-40mg/day of winny. SO this is usualy the problem. It works the same as anything else. It does help recovery. BUt if the recovery is tapped out or you are understimulating muscle then you cant gain more than that. People who say that it’s useless mostly (not in all cases but mostly what I’ve seen) don’t stick to a really regimented diet, they don’t train as hard as they could or should, they lack the basic discipline. So a hard and powerful AAS like tren will make up for all that… it binds like crazy to the receptors, it’s extremly anabolic – talking about 200mg as anabolic as a gram of test and like doing a first cycle of test for example… people explode on their first cycle because the receptors were stimulated to a much higher degree than they were ever before. That stimulation alone with very poor nutrition and training will yield some crazy gains even if the person just sits on a cauch. So yeah, the more powerful AAS the more likely you are making progress for sure. But when really trying to push limits and over that zone you need all 3 – training, food and drugs. And you don’t use drugs to stimulate newbie growth because that won’t happen again once you’ve been doing that for a long time, that’s why you use them for recovery or I’ll say they are used as a tool for recovery. They won’t help in any other way. That’s what people fail to realise. That’s why they keep pushing doses and still not getting much out of them. Oh i’ve written so much already haha, well I’m not pro deca or pro EQ i just believe for the person to use the one they feel the most comfortable with. I have clients on deca and have clients on EQ so it all depends on what they have experienced and for sure in what position they are physique wise to use these two. I have a client running both at the same time, same dose because he likes both.

Oh about anxiety I don’t have any yet on 700mg EQ. We’ll see. My vascularity is still up even if the tren is out. Thanks for the Geneza info, really appreciate it!

Also my back session today:
12/6/2018 – BACK + CALVES – Weight: 100.3kg

– Barbell rows: 140kg x12, 100kg x15
– Close grip cable rows: 120kg x12 (strict form), 60kg x15 (very slow, hard contractions – only focused on back)
– Chin-ups: BW x12
– Pulldowns: 45kg x10 DS (slow and controlled execution, really focusing on the muscle doing the job – to failure, dropped to a lower weight and failed again)
– Rack pulls: 180kg x15
– Standing calf raises: 2 sets (focusing on activation)
– Standing 1 leg calf raises: 2 sets (1 leg at the time, with bodyweight stretch and squeeze ful ROM)

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[faby47]

Yeah its a lot like that. Well could also be the EQ helping with having better appetite but still I noticed I can eat more. I still feel satied but not like full full all the time, not completly saturated. I also had a feeling that tren made my digestion worse as food got higher. So that could also be the problem.

Yeah geneza, I know for some orals that are ok and injectable oxy my friend uses is also g2g but not sure for the others will just have to see because I’m just on geneza now and will notice it fast. Yeah I have a bit of PIP from Test/Eq blend because it’s 200mg/200mg per ml so 400mg per ml solution. It’s much but I’ve never really had serious issues with PIP after the first year of gear usage when I’ve basicly been a “virgin” in this sence and I’ve noticed that many times over time people get used to it mostly. First cycle was terrible, every shot hurt like a mofo and sometimes I’ve barely been able to sleep on one side due to PIP in glutes and my gear was pharma grade test amps from Galenika, bought in pharmacy shop.

That’s a good cycle, you’ve been posting about it before and were deciding for EQ. Honestly just go with either. I perfer EQ because I’ve seen nothing but water retention from deca that was different than EQ. So I’ll rather do EQ and spare some water retention. I also didn’t react to deca that much and was expecting to see way more that I’ve seen it do or add to my progress. Also about that I’ll probably be switching to low test/high EQ in the end of this growing phase so the doses will be 375mg test (1.5ml) and 1.25g EQ (5ml) per week. I’ll see what can these two compounds do if you change the ratios and how it will affect my cosmetic apperance.

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[faby47]

@morning_iron Thanks a lot! Yeah I’m fortunate that my symmetry is in a good place, it’s just the mass missing. Deload is training but mostly just doing pump work and light weight – 50-60% of the working sets weight wise and stopping at around 2 reps will failure. But mostly I just did by the feels so I did more isolation work to back off a bit from the compounds and that’s the reason why I didn’t log anything specific. Yeah I’m on 700mg test + 700mg EQ with 20mg M1T preworkout only. Also doing 8iu insulin pre and post workout (total 16iu) and 20iu together (split 10 + 10) on leg days. I’m probably going to stay off tren in the offseasons or use it in the beginnings of the offseasons. Honestly about a week and it was enanthate ester so yeah that did play a role too. But after 5 days off I started noticing more water retention already etc. So my body changes drasticly. Have you any info about Geneza Pharma quality? I’m using geneza Test/Eq mix with geneza M1T and I’m not sure yet whats the quality. I know there are lab tests online but still you shouldn’t belive everything right? 😀 Maybe if you know any person who uses it or used it to give a feed back.

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[faby47]

@morning_iron yeah food is a bitch… No, no cheats. I do eat a candy bar here and there or a piece of chocolate lately when I really crave something good. But that’s mostly it. I’m not eating junk food to add calories because I think that’s a poor way to add calories to your diet. Maybe an extreme ectomorph who cant gain any weight has to do it but people who have bodyfat like me or most of the people on this planet this isn’t really a way to do it. Junk food is it’s pure carb source like candy thats fine but eating a mix of carbs and fats ends up in gaining tons of fat. I gain minimal bodyfat if I do either carbs or fat, but if I overeat on mix of both I gain fat rapidly even if I’m more of a leaner type of a person.

3/6/2018 – REST – Weight: 101.6kg

4/6/2018 – SHOULDERS + TRICEPS – Weight: 102.6kg
– DELOAD WEEK –

5/6/2018 – BACK – Weight: 101.5kg
– DELOAD WEEK –

6/6/2018 – REST – Weight: 101.3kg

7/6/2018 – CHEST + BICEPS – Weight: 100.3kg
– DELOAD WEEK –

8/6/2018 – LEGS – Weight: 99.9kg
– DELOAD WEEK –

9/6/2018 – REST – Weight: 100.4kg

10/6/2018 – REST – Weight: /
Went to the sea side with my wife on 9/6. Had a great day on our boat so basicly way just relax and chill. This is my end of deload week and as you can see I’ve dropped a bunch of weight due to tren being out this week (last injection of tren enanthate was on 1/6) and didn’t use any insulin during this week because I didn’t see a need for it during deloads. Actualy first few days of deload I’ve felt way “rustier” in my joints than usual. They hurt a bit and just felt off. Bodyfat didn’t change atoll but I’m less watery but also flatter. Tren deffo makes a big visual change but I don’t like how it “shinks” up my legs. My legs look very dry and skinny on tren and that’s what I don’t like, no matter how much test I use. Also I’ve received the M1T tabs and will use them in this following week at 20mg a day. Appetite is better and that’s a good thing to notice. I’m possibly upping my food now from 500g of carbs to 600g because I’m crashing very fast and I don’t like that. I don’t know why my body works that differently than others. Many people lose like 10-15lbs in their first weeks of dieting while I may only lose like 4-5lbs if lucky. But on the other hand when I up the doses I usualy don’t gain weight from the drugs many times I even lose some weight (and I harden up as well but still). It’s weird that tren is out, I’m eating a bit more, didn’t train 100% this week due to deload and my weight was still going down.
Anyways here is a video I’ve recorded post chest and biceps session.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvQ9iuo5co0

11/6/2018 – SHOULDERS + TRICEPS – Weight: 100.3kg

– Smith sh. press: 120kg x7, 100kg x10
– 1h DB sh. press: 22.5kg x12
– Lateral raises: 1 normal set, 1 Drop set (both to failure, 100% form)
– Rear delt flyes: 2 sets
– Tricep pushdowns: 90kg x15, 90kg x12 (strict form and straight down pushes from the elbows)
– Dips: BW x12, BW x10 (strict form, just focusing on tricep work)

Basicly my first session full intensity. Took 20mg M1T and 8iu insulin pre and 8iu post workout. Felt a great pump. Condition is a bit worse due to tren being out but everything was popping pretty good. I still feel I’m a bit flat and will take some time to fill back out. Measured my morning blood sugar – 4.6 mmol/L or 82 mg/dl, which is very decent. While I way using insulin (week prior to deload) my morning blood sugar was 4.8 so there isn’t much difference. I have a feeling for M1T making me more pumped, veinier but no extra agression was noticed. Even the opposite. I’ve felt very good after training.
This is it for my log for now, I’ll be more regular with updates but I didn’t see a need to log the whole deload week day by day tho.

Few pics I’ve taken today in the morning:

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