[faby47]

That was definitely a false positive high from tren. A friend recently got tested while using tren and his levels came back 1500ng/L haha so yeah. The aromatase process produces estrogen, I don’t know if the glands do but for sure even if they do it’s probably a miniscule amount. It’s more related to bodyfat because higher bodyfat brings more aromatase enzimes and that means the fatter you are, more aromatase activity there is. If you have gyno issues I’d try to use less test (if you can) or use something like letro. If the gyno is too big you won’t be able to get rid of it. I control my Estrogen with 0.625mg letro (1/4 of 2.5mg tab) EOD and it works great. Maybe you can look into letro as 1mg of arimidex isn’t that much. If you are running tren like you are at that dose, tren does increase estrogen receptor sensitivity due to prolactin (I’ve read somewhere that it’s actualy progesterone not prolactin that makes it sensitive – correct me someone if I’m wrong…) and that may cause an even bigger trouble if your estrogen isn’t under control. You could have used the same amout of test without problems in the past but just adding tren can make receptors so sensitive that now you need a higher AI dosage.
There is no other way then to play around with it a little (you can lower test, lower tren, remove tren, up the AI etc. to see what helps).

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Thanks for the input! Really appreciate it. Maybe I’ll just go with the dosage that will help me with appetite. That’s my main issue I believe when pushing for mass, I always lose appetite before 12 week mark of pushing up slowly. Last time I had EQ in the beginning and my appetite was insane. In 2 weeks time I’ve switched to nandrolone appetite was just gone completly and could barely eat 70% of what I used to before. Maybe it’s just hitting the ceiling in terms of food amounts but could as well be an effect of drugs. I’ll give it a go with higher test and a typical dosage of EQ at about 400mg. Thanks a lot!

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@Rotties that’s v nice to hear about EQ. I didn’t test it out myself at that dosage or done many cycles with it so i could really give good feedbacks. But I have a gd question… how do you see growth from test vs EQ? i know water retention will be higher with test but is growth with EQ about the same as it was with test (i would assume yes) if you discount the water it gives? I’d like to switch more to “learner” options for my future mass gaining protocols and I found out that i don’t like nandrolones at all (tryed twice and lose apetite very fast on them, maybe due to getting lots of water very fast) and i didn’t gains much more in terms of gains as I would if i just ran more test or something else.
Thanks 🙂

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I don’t really understand why would you pull the postworkout meal. That meal is a very if not the most imporant meal of the day of training. You shouldn’t remove a meal near training time (pre/post). These meals are the last to be “touched”. Atleast that way JP suggests and also lots of others. You want your recovery to be as optimal as possible and activating recovery as fast as possible is critical IMO. Take carbs/fats from the meals that are far away from training, you don’t need that much food then.

About pushing cals I think going up when weight stalls is a good way to do it. I don’t think strength/performance gains are that good of an indicator of gains to be 100% reliable on that (as I didn’t gain much strength at all my last push but gained about 1-2kg of muscle mass). Try tracking your weight on a daily basis and if you didn’t gain any weight that week you should up your food (mostly carbs, fats only if they are really really low like sub 30g). That’s how I do it and I found it very good. Watch out for appetite tho.

Just my 2c.

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[faby47]

It’s good if you don’t get crazy hungry. You won’t retain a lot of water on it most likely which is good. I find it very good for prep because I’m a low appetite/hunger person and have 0 issues (actualy I like to be hungry a bit) with using it in prep. It will help you keep anabolic activity high (retaining muscle mass and strength) without a lot of water retention like test/deca gives. For me it’s a very good precontest/offseason option and honestly would run it always when available.

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Like morning_iron said, drop it if it gives you appetite issues. Same goes for me. I can’t do any dose of dbol because I struggle to eat even without using orals in the offseason when trying to add mass. But some orals won’t crash my appetite (mostly the ones which don’t give water retention) like Turinabol and winstrol. You could try these options, tbol especialy which isn’t so harsh on the liver. If you can’t eat you can’t grow.

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[faby47]

@BLACKOUTSKIES why and how would 250mg of EQ do nothing? it’s still 250mg of anabolic hormone ON TOP of 500mg test. So that together should give you about 750mg of hormones that support anabolic activities in the body. You don’t need to run like 500mg of a specific hormone if you want to see an effect. If you only ran 250mg EQ that could just not be enough because it’s barely over TRT levels of test in terms of mg weight. You could even take 10 different hormones at 100mg/week each and you will see darn good effect even if you are not running each individualy at the “optimal” dosage. I don’t know who came up with that theory that you need a certain dose of a cerain hormone otherwise you “won’t get anything out of it”. Maybe you can say that for things like masteron which are used MAINLY for cosmetic reasons and not muscle building/anabolic properties. But every hormone at everydosage will add up, the anabolic effect adds up. It’s the same shit when people say 150mg of tren isn’t going to do shit but this is so untrue because I’ve mostly used only up to 200mg and I get all the effects of it (not sides tho) with the cosmetic look it gives – it just takes a bit more time.

For OP @josh I’d say using 500mg test with 500mg of other anabolics like 250mg eq/250mg primo could bring a nice extra boost. Just be patient and make sure you bump your food intake and train at the best recovery capabilities before upping the drugs.

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[faby47]

13/4/2018 – PUSH 1 – Weight: 97.8
Like I’ve prediced my weight went up. Still no probs as it will fall down til sunday. Just bought a new car today but still managed to get my session in late and it was decent. Strength is holding on which is good.

PUSH 1
– Flat BP: 135kg x10, 115kg x11
– DB shoulder press: 40kg x11, 32.5kg x13
– Machine chest press: 104kg x6, 80kg x9
– Dips: BW x15, BW x14
– DB Flye: 2 sets
– Lateral machine: 2 DS
– Rear delt rows: 2 sets

14/4/2018 – REST – Weight: 97.3kg
Weight already started dropping which is gd. Was traveling over the coutry today to see my wife’s family and had a nice active trip there. Was feeling a bit tired and w/o energy but still everything went great. Activity was high which is good. Tomorow my weight will probably be much lower.

This is a pic I took in the morning today:

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[faby47]

11/4/2018 – PULL 2 – Weight: 96.1 kg

Was feeling down the entire day and didn’t fancy training at all because this was my 3rd consecutive session. Still managed to go and I did my best but since I did that PB yesterday I backed off from training back a bit. I only did 3 exercises (total 7 sets) and 4 out of 7 sets were heavy loading sets, the rest was isolation. I’m going to back off from lower back loading because I was hitting on it every day having very heavy compounds that affected my lower back every session except PUSH 1 and 2. I also moved my tricep work from PUSH to PULL just because at the end of PUSH I’m feeling so drained and exhausted that I can’t properly do triceps so I rather move it to my back/bicep session where back isn’t that critical but still I usualy have something in the tank after because my session is shorter.
As far as food goes I was VERY flat this session. I couldn’t get the pump I used to get but was still ok. Tren doing it’s thing my legs are flat as fuck and not training quads directly for more than a week it left me with skinny legs when my upper-body is pumped.

Here is my current drug regime:
– 375mg Test/W (bumped from 250mg because I’m very flat)
– 200mg Tren/W
– 250mg Metformin/ED – prebed
– 60mcg Clen/ED
– 0.65mg Letro/ EOD

PULL 2
– Cable row (close grip): 120kg x14, 120kg x11
– Lat pulldown machine: 135kg x11. 135kg x9
– Wide grip pulldown: 3 sets (isolation)
– Bicep curl DB 2h (arms in front of the body): 20kg x6, 16kg x7
– Hammer curl: 14kg x7, 12kg x7 (very strict form only working with bicep similar to what JP and Corrine did in the last pull sesh)
– DB skullcrushers: 16kg x12, 16kg x11
– Tricep extensions (straight bar): 3 sets (isolation)

12/4/2018 – REST – Weight: 96.0 kg

Was a rest day. Had a severe blood sugar crash in the afternoon when I went to the mall with my wife and had to buy some dextro tabs and rice waffles and get out of the shop fast and eat it because I don’t remember if I had such a drastic crash ever even when I used insulin and IGF I’ve had a few but they didn’t last for more than 2-3 mins mostly it didn’t even happen but now I’m not using insulin or anything except metformin. I usualy just wait for it to go away if I know I ate enough food and it doesn’t get funky but this time it was insane. I had a feeling of passing out and I was sweating so bad my T-shirt was soaking wet. After eating a whole 100g pack of rice cakes and 50g of dextrose I was better but it was lasting for 25mins and even 10 mins after I ate the dextro tabs and rice cakes I just couldn’t get myself together. So yeah my body is acting crazy this cut but we will see how it goes. I’m leaning out nicely so another 4-5 weeks of dieting then I’ll push back up. I’ll be up in weight probably tomorow because extra 150g of carbs will have an impact on water retention but nothing crazy will happen otherwise. I’ll probably change my rice for buckwheat because buckwheat doen’t spike my bloodsugar that high, it’s more complex carb and has more fiber. I’ve always had buckwheat as a carbsource during cut and only had rice in 1 and it is a drastic difference how I feel on one or the other and how are the hunger levels.

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[faby47]

@harry, HGH isn’t necessary with slin. There is no need to use one with the other and both can be used alone. Altho using slin with higher HGH dosages may help reducing some blood sugar which increases with time because if getting insulin resistant on high dose HGH – talking 8iu+. You also have more chance of gaining bodyfat quicker without using HGH and when you use insulin your natural HGH production will “turn off”. Using both at the same times gives a synergy because you can have both present in the blood while if you are using slin, your HGH won’t be produced at that time – HGH is usualy produced in a more fasted state, when blood sugar is lower.

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Yeah, over 40mg/day always gives me slight heartburn – acid reflux if that’s what you mean by heartburn… I also get that when my calories are too low and when my fats are very low (sub 25g/day). I always take my orals with meals and I think that’s the best way to do it atleast what I’ve heard from JP and others. Fats help orals to be metabolised better and less stress for the stomach. Correct me if I’m wrong tho.

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As far as I know tren binds way stronger to the AR than others (atleast from these commonly used injectables) then comes the nandrolones and masteron, test, eq etc. JP has said this in the vid about his masteron usage the last 2 weeks before a show where he wanted to see if masteron will make him dryer if he pulls everything else out (tren aswell). If you have too many androgens that bind strongly to the receptors I think (talking just from specuation and my thought process) that you will have too many hormones fighting for the same receptor and if there is too much, there will be a waste and won’t be used efficiently. Now somebody correct me if I’m wrong here but I think this could be it. That’s why megadosing won’t do much more than using an optimal dosage. If you don’t have enough muscle or receptors you can’t utilize the drugs IMO.
As far as DHB goes I think Matt Porter is actualy doing a good job experimenting whith these but I think there is something lacking… You can’t expect to grow just by relying on drugs and leaving your diet 100% same and everything else. This way the only change that can happen in some visual changes in terms of getting a bit dryer and such but honestly I think that if you really want to see the drug working you must either use a lot bigger dose – if you want to grow on maintenance as a bodybuilder who was used to run a lot more gear or change the food. You can’t really expect much changes without increasing the food. It would be interesting if he would try to get as much lean muscle as he can with these small doses without gaining bodyfat while increasing food. That would be much better than just maintenance with added in some drugs.

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I think 12 weeks of clen can be done but for me thats max period of time I’d use it due to its impact on the heart. For me I use it from 40mcg up to 100mcg while 100 is the top dose which I dont exceed. If you use too much it can make you flat and you will have a hard time filling out with refeed or carbups in the process. I hope you lost some fat already, clen IMO should be a tool that pushed you into faster and more efficient fat burning after you already got some fat off (atleast that’s what I think is the best approach).

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Deca/Tren also increases prolactin which makes estrogen receptor more sensitive that’s why you got sensitive nipps or gyno even if you didn’t get any prior when taking the same amount of test. Deca even aromatises a bit so there is some extra estrogen from that too. But I have seen x times that people who ran like 500mg test without AI no probs added tren and got bad gyno just because of the prolactin effect on estrogen receptors. Having HCG in will also produce more estrogen. Hope this clears the air a bit.

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Can very well be a decent cutting cycle. But for myself I’d run a bit more test nad 125mg of masteron is a very miniscule amount to get anything from it (cosmetic effects). I’d run less tren and more test/mast (atleast same dose as tren) but that’s just me. I think your way can do a very nice job because tren is hell of a compound and for me even 150-200mg of tren is plenty and changes my body visualy completly, everything else is just a personal preference. But if I’d run these together I’d do 200/200/200 of these 3.

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