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hey, 150 would be classed as TRT m8 so i would go to 300mg minimum, particularly as you have run higher doses. I would use NPP as that’s a great compound and you can run high amounts if you wanted without effecting your bloods too much. I personally stay away from orals offseason as they mess with my digestion but many use them.

Ryan, what’s your opinion on using tren e during a summer (lean) bulk cycle? Have you had an overall positive experience with tren e during a bulking phase? Was thinking about running it at like 200mg with a moderate dose of test (450 or so), to take advantage of the nutrient partioning benefits. In which side effects would this result?

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@wotti , thanks for your reply and advice for my lean summer bulk cycle. I do want to gain some muscle, but I can’t afford to be bloated as hell during those months. That’s for wintertime lol. Thought about it and it might indeed not be the best idea to go with tren, although it will still be dosage dependent imo.

I’ve been looking deeper into EQ the past few days, since I can’t afford primo or NPP atm… Seems like EQ is a versatile compound using during both cutting and bulking phases, very minimal sides and no water rentention at all. However, Some people seem to have got good results from it during a (long) lean bulk, while others say it’s absolutely not worth it purely from a muscle-building perspective.

My question is: do you personally have experience with EQ to gain lean muscle mass, how would you rate it? How would it differ from deca and what about dosages? Would be happy to hear some of your advice and opinion about it. Thanks brother.

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What about primo? Great compund, very small side effects if any at all, besides on your bank account.

yeh that’s it for me man: the budget. so not really an option…

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How much do you weigh?
What do you look like ?
What are your goals ?

For instance if you weigh 180-200lb and are just trying to gain size to improve physique look in general I would say 200.

If you are 240 n trying to push up even more to improve your look on stage I would say 4-600mg.

Again though from my own experience, from what people have been doing for decades and in terms of medical research deca is a better muscle builder I feel

Tren for 16 weeks may start to takes its toll on you.

If you have done a lot of reading you will find most don’t suggest or do run then that long.

I would actually do 8 weeks NPP then 8 weeks tren ace if I was doing this for myself or a client

Yeh I’m not that big at all. Small person and pretty damn lean (just did a mini-cut and kept my bulk before lean too. So I think 200mg would be fine? Indeed, 16 weeks tren e does seem to be a bit much. Think 12 weeks of test/ tren would be a better idea or even 4 weeks test/ anadrol and then 8 weeks test/ tren e. before going into a cruise again. Cycle after (winter) I’ll definitely give deca a try, since I’m “afraid” to blow up on it this summer due to water retention. Just don’t know what to expect from it.

Think 450mg test/ 200mg tren e would be a solid choice for this summers leans bulk. Do you personally have experience with a cycle set-up like this, I mean: with running test higher then tren?

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Isn’t it just prolactin related? Which can be kept under control with caber?

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Depends how serious you are about wanting to ‘Optimise’ every aspect of what you’re doing. Oats post workout aren’t the ideal choice because of the slower digesting carbs and fat content, but if you enjoy them and are getting the results you’re happy with, then carry on.
Products like rice, rice cakes, jam, bagels, cereals etc. would be my go to carb choices post workout and utilise the oats in your post post meal or before bed.
Just be aware too, that if you are eating oats over 3 times a day, every day, then you may eventually build up an intolerance to them, so it’s always a good idea to vary your sources.

Hi, Thanks Clare. Interesting btw what you’re saying about building up an intolerance to it. Never thought about it. Yeh, have been eating oats 3 times a day for a long time now… What would “having built up an intolerance” mean then (signs etc.)?

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hi bud, above I said oats are perfect for your post-post workout meal, this means the meal after your post workout meal,

the fast digesting ones are what you should have in your POST workout meal Not POST-POST workout meal,

Hope this is clear!!

ow, I see! Jup, get it.

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Mate, many people on here will use the same term ‘if it digests fine eat’, to some degree yes but the type of food and quality still matters,

post workout carbs like rice cakes, white rice, bagel and jam are my goes as they are rapidly absorbed by the body.

I would suggests anything above or cream of rice is perfect.

However, for my pre workout meal or even post-post workout meal oats are perfect as they are low GI carb and get released into the blood stream less rapidly,

PS. who doesn’t love oats, whey and a heaping spoon of nut butter

Info above is a bit contradicting :p Are you now saying oats are something your like post-workout (slow-digesting) or do you prefer all the other options mentioned (fast-digesting) ?

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Absolutely loving SIS labs.

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If you had done some real research you would know these answers.

Deca seems to be better for all out gains in terms of lean body mass and has been used within medicine for this.

Deca is a dry powder but comes in a wet oil buddy. in terms of lean bulk you can look great on Deca – check my journal on here and jordans as well as my instagram to see how I look running only deca at my all time heaviest.

yes I agree it would be very good to run along side test for nutrient partitioning.

How you mean I should know these answers? I was just asking if you find deca to be a compound giving your dry gains or not, since there is so much info out there + ask to share opinions:)

Hilly, is it possible to give me a guideline in terms of dosages? Seems like people are having success using tren e in a bulk, so think I’m going for this. The plan is to do 12-16 weeks of test and tren e (3rd cycle). I did run tren ace already for 1 month at 200mg/ week. Sleep quality went down a bit, but no problem with sweats etc. I was thinking about using the test as the “main compound” and running it around 450mg (now cruising on 200mg). What do you recommend for the tren dosage?

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I like to run both (: If it doesn’t interrupt your sleep and digestion ur all good imo. Last offseason i ran test, deca and tren at pretty high doses and for a long time and I made huge progress!

Running 2 19-nor compounds at the same time, no thanks lol… How long did you run the tren and at what dosage? Which personal negatives did you find about tren running for so long, or only positive about it?

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I did my mini-cut at the very end of my blast, right before my cruise period.

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Thanks for sharing. Anyone else?

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Make the switch and do as nothing has happened.

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One thing we need to be clear of about oxy is a drug build on a DHT backbone, it cant aromatize since its already reduced, i have talked about this with Dave Crosland, Scott Stevenson and others on this subject, because if it cant aromatize how does one get gyno from it, well the theory behind this is that some drugs can bind and activate the estrogen receptor oxy being one of them its called cross receptor activation.

Indeed man. Cycle is over now, but when I was on-cycle taking Anadrol I made sure to take 10mg of Tamoxifen daily.