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Cheers guys! Currently took 4 x 50 mg already during the past few days. Had tren cough once already damn it.
When would you say it really starts to “kick in”? Test has been lowered to 350 (500 previously).

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probably crap.. good clen will kick your ass

exactly had the same: taking 40mcg all at once and don’t really feel something special. Brand is Magnus (real stuff). What do you think James?

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Sweating = water loss and electrolyte loss.

Sweating does not equal fat loss…..

Was thinking more like that it would elevate the heart rate even more, leading to higher energy expenditure. Thanks!

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adding other drugs on top of a trt test dose, isn’t a cruise. would save that for once the blast starts again.

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Gain wrote:

Gain wrote:

Hey,

as Hilly said its upto you. If you wanted more tissue then you would need a calorie surplus so cutting would be a no go. Adding tren ace will help change your body composition especially if your cutting. It will give you a harder look and help with bfat composition. It’s a very strong anabolic so yes you may notice more muscle growth. In your 6 week cruise you will fade a little but Its nothing to worry about, get your health markers to an acceptable level then you can push again.

Thanks man, I’ll give the tren ace a go for the next 27 days till my shoot. I’m currently still on 500mg test/ week and after the shoot, I’m going right into my 6-week cruise.

My question is: when adding the tren ace for the upcoming month, would it be a good idea to just take advantage of the tren and lower the test to around 300mg/ week (or 250?)? Was thinking about doing this before cruising on 200mg/ week, so I don’t have to wait that long for the test levels to go down.

tren ace will be at 200mg/ week btw.

hey, i personally keep my test at 400mg, you could potentially drop some water dropping the test and i dont see why you cant, maybe try 400mg before your cruise.

Thanks man, yep I’ll lower the test e to 300-400mg or so. Don’t think there is a need to have test that high when adding 200mg of tren ace for the upcoming month.

I was just wondering the following: let’s say my last shot of test e (2 shots a week) is on the 5th of May, then when wouuld the 6 week cruise “go in”? Since I know levels remain elevated for some time after a test e shot. So when do I start “counting”? [/quote]
hey, if i was starting pct i would wait 5 weeks after my last jab, but my levels would be rock bottom. As you don’t want that to happen with a cruise i would just move straight to your cruise dose. Do that for 6 weeks but i would definitely get blood work done before you push again just to make sure your good to go.[/quote]

Alright man. So the week after my last 200mg shot (2x200mg per week), just go straight to the cruise dose and immediately start “counting” the 6 weeks from there, correct?

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Gain wrote:

Hey,

as Hilly said its upto you. If you wanted more tissue then you would need a calorie surplus so cutting would be a no go. Adding tren ace will help change your body composition especially if your cutting. It will give you a harder look and help with bfat composition. It’s a very strong anabolic so yes you may notice more muscle growth. In your 6 week cruise you will fade a little but Its nothing to worry about, get your health markers to an acceptable level then you can push again.

Thanks man, I’ll give the tren ace a go for the next 27 days till my shoot. I’m currently still on 500mg test/ week and after the shoot, I’m going right into my 6-week cruise.

My question is: when adding the tren ace for the upcoming month, would it be a good idea to just take advantage of the tren and lower the test to around 300mg/ week (or 250?)? Was thinking about doing this before cruising on 200mg/ week, so I don’t have to wait that long for the test levels to go down.

tren ace will be at 200mg/ week btw.

hey, i personally keep my test at 400mg, you could potentially drop some water dropping the test and i dont see why you cant, maybe try 400mg before your cruise.[/quote]

Thanks man, yep I’ll lower the test e to 300-400mg or so. Don’t think there is a need to have test that high when adding 200mg of tren ace for the upcoming month.

I was just wondering the following: let’s say my last shot of test e (2 shots a week) is on the 5th of May, then when wouuld the 6 week cruise “go in”? Since I know levels remain elevated for some time after a test e shot. So when do I start “counting”?

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For my own personal experience, yes waste of money. 8 weeks way too short for a long estered compound like test. no other option than pinning eod.
Would run into looking test prop + maybe an oral, depending on your goal. But since I hear it’s for holiday, I guess you want to lean out. Anavar should work well.

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@Hilly, do you have experience with tren e during a bulk cycle? Or what’s your opinion on it? Looking to bulk with 300 mg test e + 200 mg tren e this summer.

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Hey,

as Hilly said its upto you. If you wanted more tissue then you would need a calorie surplus so cutting would be a no go. Adding tren ace will help change your body composition especially if your cutting. It will give you a harder look and help with bfat composition. It’s a very strong anabolic so yes you may notice more muscle growth. In your 6 week cruise you will fade a little but Its nothing to worry about, get your health markers to an acceptable level then you can push again.

Thanks man, I’ll give the tren ace a go for the next 27 days till my shoot. I’m currently still on 500mg test/ week and after the shoot, I’m going right into my 6-week cruise.

My question is: when adding the tren ace for the upcoming month, would it be a good idea to just take advantage of the tren and lower the test to around 300mg/ week (or 250?)? Was thinking about doing this before cruising on 200mg/ week, so I don’t have to wait that long for the test levels to go down.

tren ace will be at 200mg/ week btw.

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So first things first

what you do at the end of a cycle is totally up to you, cutting in PCT isn’t a great idea.

Cutting at the end of a cycle if your still on cycle is totally fine and can make sense.,

How much fat you can loose depends on yourself, your diet capabilities and also how fat you are now.

Adding clen – well if your wanting to burn more kcal and more fat then adding a drug that does this makes perfect sense, considering clen also has a diuretic effect id say again makes a lot of sense.

You don’t need to change or add to your drugs at all to drop bodyfat. However if I was wanting to make drastic changes and just had 4 weeks I would add winstrol and not tren.

Thanks. is indeed up to me to decide if I want to cut or not. Luckily, I’m already pretty lean at the moment.

After the 4-week cut, I’ll cruise for 6 weeks. Of course, progress muscle-wise won’t be really there, but can I expect to just maintain the physique during those 6 weeks? When eating at maintenance?

About the possibility to use tren ace for 3-4 weeks: my next cycle, I would want to use tren e. So, I would basically try to take advantage to discover the compound now in a short ester form (while reaping the benefits ofc physique wise), to see if it’s something for me.

What can I expect from 200 mg tren ace/ week during those 3-4 weeks? Would it even be possible to gain muscle during that period? I’m now stuck muscle gaining wise, even when in a slight surplus.

Thanks a lot brother.

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@hilly @drdean @ryanpetford

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Hey,

whats your cruise dose? have you had any blood work done? generally you come down to keep your health levels in check. You would need atleast a trt dose as you’ve not come off for a while.

Do you think one can recover natural testosterone, after blasting and cruising for let’s say 3 years?

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Axel Grimes wrote:

Why clen in a pct? Thats so stupid imo ! U will lose some gains while you pct if u add clen on top of that u will lose so much muscle tissue!!

Lmfao. Says who ?

Considering Clen is anti catabolic I can’t imagine so.

Secondly this has been done for years n I have seen it done first hand with gd results.

Running a cut during PCT isn’t the best idea.

Running Clen at maintenance kcal I have seen n found to be useful

Yes indeed, that’s what I thought too Hilly! Going to try clen for the first time at the end of my bulk cycle now (4 week cut). You’re talking about taking it at maintenance cals: would the fat loss still be noticeable after 4 weeks? Or still beter to have a fairly large surplus combined with the clen (getting ready for a photoshoot). Thanks brother.

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how much are you wanting to run? every other is fine as is ed, just depends on doses you have run before and what you want to run now.

What’s your opinion on adding 200mg tren ace/ week for the last 3 weeks of bulking cycle, while doing a mini cut? (already pretty lean) Could it work better instead of cutting on test alone?

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someone?