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How much are you taking?

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A True TRT dose would be closer to 150mg per week. Most TRT drs will run HCG throughout to keep testes active and other hormones in balance. An example would be 150iu hcg every day. Then you could potentially need an ai to control estrogen, for example aromasin 3 x per week.

“then you could … ” why exactly ryan? Does HCG increase estrogen?

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You’re not on a “TRT dose”. You’re on a cruise, with test levels being still higher than what’s max achievable as a natural. So if you’re goal is to get healthy and be on a true trt, then yes, drop dosage.

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Also, what’s your estrogen reading on your bloodwork? 3mg of Adex for 450 test is a bit high in my opinion, assuming it’s not UGL adex. I wouldn’t be surprised if your estrogen is too low right now. Rule of thumb when I used adex was 1/4 a tab for every 200mg I shot. Always kept me in the perfect range.

Hey man. Well, about a month ago I did bloods to see where estrogen was at when on 450mg test. Estrogen came back way too high for sure: 68 ng/l and the range stops at 43. Back then, I was on 1.5mg adex/ week (pharmagrade), so tells me I aromatize easily.

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@hilly , what do you think? Would appreciate the help.

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would surprise me if the coco pops were to blame… I had the same issue in terms of digestion problems and it was due to my pre-workout supplement.

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definitely cut down first. Should be easy. No additional hormones needed during the first few weeks.

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Wouldn’t taper down to 100mg test if I were you. Just stop at 150 mg.

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5hpt 100mg

Or 3-6mg melatonin

Or zma

Or a combination will all help if struggling even with good sleep habits.

Hilly, how would you go about the timing of the melatonin pre-bed?

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Thanks guys, makes sense. Guess i’d be better to spend those calories on something offering me more.

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So if you are experiencing all of those sides then you defo need to reduce estrogen.

Personally I would up Adex

Thanks Hilly. Indeed, will up the Adex and keep test e at 450mg and tren ace at 120mg.

Based on the info above, what would your guess be in terms of how much adex to take to bring estrogen back in range? Add 1 mg per week? 1,5 (so double)? Thanks brother.

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It sounds like you’ve built up scar tissue from pinning the same depth/area and the oil may not be absorbing properly. Generally you want a 1 – 1 1/2” needle and as you build up scar tissue, work your way shallower, but that would take some amount of time to happen. My delts and quads have been my only rotation sites for the last ~4 years and after many 2-3mL injections they still don’t have the kind of scar tissue built up where I’m worried about needing to switch yet.

I’d opt for a larger needle and deeper injection over messing around with sites like lats or chest, etc. first.

Also glutes are a major site with plenty of tissue — why not use those?

thanks for the advice brother, appreciated. Yeh… glutes might be an option as well. Although I’ll first need to find out how to go about injecting there.

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Why not just sub-q (abs area)? I have read that sub-q is actually even better than IM

Sounds like a horrible idea when on cycle, with such volumes…

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@hilly Hi Hilly. Thanks for the above. I was doubting between increasing the AI and keep test the same, or lower the test and keep the AI the same. I did some research and it’s indeed quit common for people to run Adex “higher”. As said, my cycle was 450mg of test e and Adex 0,5mg 3x/ week. A week ago I added a low-dose tren ace (120mg/ week), since bloods allowed me to.

You talk about having sides or not with my current estrogen levels. Well, I do have to say sex drive is down a bit, as well as hardness erections. Ofc I’m also way more bloated around the midsection (I’m a pretty lean individual) most time.

Based on your text message I was wondering:

– Will having estrogen higher than “normal levels” combined with higher levels of test, result in more gains? I mean, is this a must, or can the same gains be achieved by just having estrogen in range, or atleast at the higher end of normal?

– As you know, my estrogen value is now twice as high compared to what’s considered the middle of “normal”. Does this mean that doubling my Adex dosage (so from 1,5mg to 3mg), will result in slashing estrogen levels in half (and thus in range again)? Or would you increase it in another way?

I’m also still running 10mg tamox/ day, which I think is a must now to prevent gyno from getting worse, before my operation next year. Thanks in advance and happy to hear what you have to say about it!

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Hey,
micro dosing can help with controlling hormones. How often do you do your test shots? so was your prolactin in range?

Hi ryan. Yes, prolactine was perfectly in range this time (very low on previous tests). Came back at 6,7 ug/l (range: 4 – 15,2).
About the frequency of injecting: I injected 3x/ week, so 3x 150mg of test e, which I take is plenty for such a long ester.

On the injection days 0,5mg of adex was taken, as well as 10mg tamoxifen, which I always keep in. However, as we can see estrogen came back too high