[Harry]

Hi guys, I’m considering starting GH in the new year. I’m interested in the healing/recovery properties as opposed to muscle building, as I’m a kick-boxer as opposed to a bodybuilder (have an avid interest in all things training though, hence membership to the site!) I was hoping to get your advice/input on an every other day approach at 2-3 iu; do you think this is appropriate for a beginner (not taken anything before except for TB500 and BPC 157), for the purpose of aiding recovery, sleep, tissue repair etc? @Hilly

Apologies, I meant to add: do I need to cycle on and off? What (if any) are the on-cycle protocols I need to adhere to in terms of cycle support? What specific health markers need monitoring?

[Harry]

Hi guys, I’m considering starting GH in the new year. I’m interested in the healing/recovery properties as opposed to muscle building, as I’m a kick-boxer as opposed to a bodybuilder (have an avid interest in all things training though, hence membership to the site!) I was hoping to get your advice/input on an every other day approach at 2-3 iu; do you think this is appropriate for a beginner (not taken anything before except for TB500 and BPC 157), for the purpose of aiding recovery, sleep, tissue repair etc? @Hilly

[Harry]

@hilly hi mate, was wondering what your thoughts on a proviron only cycle be for an individual with very high SHBG, but also high natural test levels. My logic is this: in order to get the most results from the least amount of drugs, could one add decent muscle tissue (not as much as test obviously) if they just reduced their SHBG and freed up more of their natural test?

In theory it’s plausible.
However the way proviron works there is also theory / potential it could reduce free test.
I’m not sure on the science tho.
It isn’t something I would do.
If u want to naturally increase free test look at Boron 6 to 12 mg a day.
Research n anecdotal to show this world well.
That would be my go to. Not proviron.

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Thanks for the advice mate

[Harry]

@hilly hi mate, was wondering what your thoughts on a proviron only cycle be for an individual with very high SHBG, but also high natural test levels. My logic is this: in order to get the most results from the least amount of drugs, could one add decent muscle tissue (not as much as test obviously) if they just reduced their SHBG and freed up more of their natural test?

[Harry]

why dont you just start with test only? watch the education section videos and get the most out of the least drugs.

Deca to help with joint lubrication leanness, then NPP towards the end to help me recover quicker and start pct sooner

[Harry]

Also any predictions for hair loss, I don’t believe I’m genetically predisposed to it but want to take any possible precautions

[Harry]

??? cheers bro, anything you’d change or any advice?? Am wondering about support while on cycle, any ideas?

[Harry]

See pics below, apologies forgot to attach

[Harry]

Hi guys, wondered what everyone’s opinions were on the below as a 1st cycle, also see pics for some bloodwork I had done a while ago if that helps…:

Weeks 1-4
Test e 250mg per week.
0.2ml 50mg Mon, tues, wed, thur, fri

Deca 150mg per week
0.2ml 50mg mon, wed, fri

25mg proviron everyday

Weeks 4-8
Test e 250mg per week
0.2ml 50mg mon-fri

Deca 150mg per week
0.2ml 50mg mon, wed, fri

25mg proviron everyday

Weeks 8-12
Test prop 280mg per week
0.4ml 40mg everyday

Npp 140mg per week
0.2ml 20mg everyday

Proviron 25mg everyday

PCT
3 weeks after last jab
4 week pct
500ui hcg daily or 1000ui every other day
20mg tamoxifen everyday
25mg proviron everyday

[Harry]

Hey,
make sure you dose the test ideally eod. This will help with estrogen levels. You can dose less but your estrogen will be impacted so an an AI maybe needed. Testosterone shuts down production at the testes. So HCG restarts the testes sysntheticaly then you switch to clomid to stop estrogen at the hypothalamus, this will double your natural production of testosterone at the hypothalamus allowing your testicles to switch over to production naturally. You then taper off clomid to allow the body to slowly adjust. Or you could just do fuck all and the body will eventually recover (in most cases) lol. However, you can expect a more dramatic drop in mood, increase in prolactin and a decrease in sex drive. So it’s up to you ultimately, The main concern is hiding it from the wife, i have known many to do this and it never ends well when they find out, which most of the time they will because it’s pretty obvious. Is it something she would not understand?

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Hi Ryan
When you say dose test ideally eod to help with oestrogen levels, would you recommend a faster esther test? Or do you think test e is still ok? Also when you say Eod does this translate to Monday, Wednesday Friday each week, or do you literally take a shot every other day for the whole cycle so 1st week would be Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday, then 2nd week would be Tuesday Thursday Saturday, then 3rd week would be Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday and so on..
Also, I’ve been reading a lot about PCT protocols and have a few questions.. as someone who is undergoing surgery for mild gyno in a few weeks (not sure whether this due to prolactin, oestrogen or whatever, developed through puberty) and looking to undergo their first cycle later on in the year of 250mg test e per week, what would you suggest are the best ways to mitigate gyno whilst on cycle and also when doing PCT?
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Not ryan bud
A faster Ester like prop may make things worse in terms of estro. I would just run test E.
MWF or EOD is fine n world
Bloody work is your best way of monitoring estro n preventing gyno I feel by doing all you can to keep estro from flying up.

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Apologies, thanks Hilly.

If pinning eod would it go on a 2 week programme e.g. Week 1: Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday, week 2: Tuesday Thursday Saturday, then go back to week 1?

Regarding blood work, how would you recommend monitoring it? Obviously get bloods done before and after cycle but should you get them on cycle and if so how often?

[Harry]

If cost wasn’t an issue, would it be it worth adding GH to a 12 week cycle? I wonder this because based on the premise that it causes hyperplasia, don’t those additional cells still exist months after the cycle is over, meaning that even if you went back to being natural you could see better gains due to hypertrophy of the cells added through hyperplasia?

[Harry]

Hey,
make sure you dose the test ideally eod. This will help with estrogen levels. You can dose less but your estrogen will be impacted so an an AI maybe needed. Testosterone shuts down production at the testes. So HCG restarts the testes sysntheticaly then you switch to clomid to stop estrogen at the hypothalamus, this will double your natural production of testosterone at the hypothalamus allowing your testicles to switch over to production naturally. You then taper off clomid to allow the body to slowly adjust. Or you could just do fuck all and the body will eventually recover (in most cases) lol. However, you can expect a more dramatic drop in mood, increase in prolactin and a decrease in sex drive. So it’s up to you ultimately, The main concern is hiding it from the wife, i have known many to do this and it never ends well when they find out, which most of the time they will because it’s pretty obvious. Is it something she would not understand?

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Instagram:@primitivegymnasium | http://www.trainedbyjpclothing.com – The most anabolic clothing ever! |

http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.

Hi Ryan

When you say dose test ideally eod to help with oestrogen levels, would you recommend a faster esther test? Or do you think test e is still ok? Also when you say Eod does this translate to Monday, Wednesday Friday each week, or do you literally take a shot every other day for the whole cycle so 1st week would be Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday, then 2nd week would be Tuesday Thursday Saturday, then 3rd week would be Monday Wednesday Friday Sunday and so on..

Also, I’ve been reading a lot about PCT protocols and have a few questions.. as someone who is undergoing surgery for mild gyno in a few weeks (not sure whether this due to prolactin, oestrogen or whatever, developed through puberty) and looking to undergo their first cycle later on in the year of 250mg test e per week, what would you suggest are the best ways to mitigate gyno whilst on cycle and also when doing PCT?

Thanks

[Harry]

Thanks for the informative response, Stefan.

If the cycle I mentioned above were to be done only once a year, do you still suggest aromasin eod at a half? Or would it be better to go tamoxifen daily at 10/20mg. The only compound in this cycle would be test E at 125mg Mon and Thurs so 250mg total weekly.

I am about to undergo surgery for very mild gyno and then towards the end of the year want to do my 1st cycle (250mg test E weekly) but obviously do not want to get gyno again..

[Harry]

Whilst possible, is it easily mitigable through proper support I.e. anti estrogen etc? Obviously it’s down to the individual, but if on a cycle such as 250mg test E weekly (125mg Mon & Thurs), would tamoxifen @ 10/20mg per day more than likely keep it at bay? Alternatively, if the gyno that was removed was due to elevated prolactin levels, what’s the best course of action for reducing them?

[Harry]

Anyone able to send me the real rohm uk email address please?