[haydn ward]

No problem mate.

It’s a good thing that you’re looking into how to improve your health through diet changes bud but I think you’ve done what I always do which is to put a massive bandage over a papercut so to speak!

Maybe look at making smaller changes without going full vegan? For example I have found (completely accidentally) that when I use my other halfs soya milk instead of cows milk it seems to help with my digestion if i’m ever going through a period where it’s struggling. I don’t do this year round but if my digestion is going through a tough time i’ll make the swap temporarily to reduce the dairy my body is having to deal with for that time frame.

Another idea could be to look at reducing red meat? Just reducing that (rather than removing completely) has yielded pretty dramatic results in some people.

Obviously I have no idea what your diet looks like and/or what specific health benefits you’re looking for but I recon there’ll be plenty you can do before you have to make a decision that will really hinder your bodybuilding progression like going full vegan. Worth a thought at least mate.

Good luck with it!  

  

mate my issue is I’m abit of an extremist haha I saw some bits yesterday about the health benifits of being vegan and was an article by an non vegan saying the health benifits so I was like hmm maybe I’ll try it hehe.
my other issue is I’m a fussy eater, I mean I did the PCA first timers 3 weeks ago, and on prep it was mainly eggs, chicken, asparagus haha. my issue is I don’t particularly like eating veg so I actively avoid it, because I’m “basic bitch” with my food, I just cool what’s needed. I really just need to look at some recipes and make food more “enjoyable” really I suppose. but generally speaking I have eggs for breakfast then every meal after that is some form of meat (chicken, turkey, beef) or salmon.
just need to be more targeted at health not just growth I think.

thanks again for taking time for decent responses

[haydn ward]

I genuinely wouldn’t bother. You’ll never be as a good a bodybuilder from being plant based to what you would be eating meat.

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yeah I hear some people say about the benifits, and yes there are some well built individuals but they didn’t start vegan so didn’t build it haha. just hear lots of health benifits: I just need to try and be abit healthier with my diet ha

[haydn ward]

Hi Haydn,

My fiance is vegan (though she doesn’t train seriously like we do!) so I do have secondary experience of what this sort of diet change can be like.

Veganism has some really good benefits in regards to health – the proof is out there and it’s undeniable. There’s trade-offs at times of course (as with pretty much everything) and being a vegan can be difficult when it comes to finding a nice variety of foods to keep you from getting bored. You also need to be conscious of micronutrients you could end up being deficient in unless you’re on the ball with your diet as a whole. It can get pretty expensive to be a vegan at times as well as it’s the current “bandwagon” it seems so supermarkets are cashing in on this.

From a bodybuilding stand-point – I must agree with Haider. If you’re even semi serious about how good a bodybuilder you want to become you need to realise that you’re going to be limiting yourself and you will be at a disadvantage to everyone else who can eat dairy and meat products. Some people will say it’s possible to be a vegan bodybuilder – and it is given you have a perfectly set up environment with constant access to the foods you need at any given time…but in reality this isn’t likely. If you’re ever out on the road or on holiday you’ll struggle to find what you need easily. If you do it’ll be hella-expensive or just not enough.

If you’re looking to switch diets due to health benefits – it’s a good move and I’ve read a lot of people saying their life has improved as a result (none of them bodybuilders). If you want to still be the best bodybuilder you can be…you’ll need to give up on maximising your potential imo.

There’s plenty you can do to improve your health that don’t require such a dramatic diet change. SupplementNeeds do a huge range of supps geared towards improving overall health that I imagine will make a big difference to most people so if that’s all you’re looking for then that might be a better starting point mate!

Hope this helps a bit

awesome detailed response, thankyou! yeah I looked I to what vitamins and minerals suppliements I’d need along side. I’m not 100% saying o want to go vegan, but I see alot of people say about the benifits so wanted to see from people who had done it to see what they say/feel/think.

I just know I need to get more veg in my diet and try and be abit healthier, but try to make it enjoyable (if that makes any sense)

[haydn ward]

Hi Haydn,

My fiance is vegan (though she doesn’t train seriously like we do!) so I do have secondary experience of what this sort of diet change can be like.

Veganism has some really good benefits in regards to health – the proof is out there and it’s undeniable. There’s trade-offs at times of course (as with pretty much everything) and being a vegan can be difficult when it comes to finding a nice variety of foods to keep you from getting bored. You also need to be conscious of micronutrients you could end up being deficient in unless you’re on the ball with your diet as a whole. It can get pretty expensive to be a vegan at times as well as it’s the current “bandwagon” it seems so supermarkets are cashing in on this.

From a bodybuilding stand-point – I must agree with Haider. If you’re even semi serious about how good a bodybuilder you want to become you need to realise that you’re going to be limiting yourself and you will be at a disadvantage to everyone else who can eat dairy and meat products. Some people will say it’s possible to be a vegan bodybuilder – and it is given you have a perfectly set up environment with constant access to the foods you need at any given time…but in reality this isn’t likely. If you’re ever out on the road or on holiday you’ll struggle to find what you need easily. If you do it’ll be hella-expensive or just not enough.

If you’re looking to switch diets due to health benefits – it’s a good move and I’ve read a lot of people saying their life has improved as a result (none of them bodybuilders). If you want to still be the best bodybuilder you can be…you’ll need to give up on maximising your potential imo.

There’s plenty you can do to improve your health that don’t require such a dramatic diet change. SupplementNeeds do a huge range of supps geared towards improving overall health that I imagine will make a big difference to most people so if that’s all you’re looking for then that might be a better starting point mate!

Hope this helps a bit

awesome detailed response, thankyou! yeah I looked I to what vitamins and minerals suppliements I’d need along side. I’m not 100% saying o want to go vegan, but I see alot of people say about the benifits so wanted to see from people who had done it to see what they say/feel/think.

I just know I need to get more veg in my diet and try and be abit healthier, but try to make it enjoyable (if that makes any sense)

[haydn ward]

yeah this isn’t a “what do you do for a cheat” more of a just for fun, if you was to sit down to one cheat meal, what would it be.

back when I was doing strongman, I would do big eating all the while, standard Tuesday night was 2 xl domino mighty meaty pizzas sandwhich style, washed down with 2litre of coke and a tub ben and jerrys for dessert. but I was up at 18 stone back then (fat a fuck too ha) Think most ive added up on a challenge day was 26k in calories, but yes, I did NOT feel good for afew days after: I did also take some serious doses of GHRP6 and GDA’s on that day, and literally ate/drank every hour on the hour, it was not as fun as it started out to be hahaha.

tbf since started dieting properly again, ive tried a big cheat meal, and I just cant tuck it away. im happy with a steak and sweet potato fries main and a kinder bueno bar for dessert these days as a “cheat”

[haydn ward]

I have a glass of coke zero with my last meal most nights, now that im in a calorie deficit, it helps me to bloat out as its always evening when my cravings will kick it. so the double benefit is that it fills me up and tastes sweet so 2 birds 1 stone sinario. but I think its personal preference and reasoning why to use them really.
and as mentioned, im having a small glass so were talking less than a cansworth (so approx. 300ml), now, ive your downing 2 litres a day, I cant imagine that will be helpful haha

[haydn ward]

if you google “shoe size chart” it will tell you sizes:
im a uk size 11 which in euro if I remember rightly is like 44-45??

If I remember rightly they are sold in euro sizing. you should be good with normal size. depending on brand of shoe im usually a 10.5 or an 11.

[haydn ward]

awww man that sucks 🙁

[haydn ward]

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Have googled a lot but can’t find the right email address. Can you help me with it? ????

timo, I have emailed them and got a response, if you want their details or some info let me know

pfizer pen or hygetropin kit??

[haydn ward]

my guess is the igf 1 isn’t the legit stuff haha.

yeah that would be handy if you did post that up bud

[haydn ward]

ok so if we take into account your not assisted and only just changed your diet it can have an affect. your recovery properties are going to be alil slower to someone on peds, so yeah you up the intensity, your recovery is going to be alittle slower and you would be best off backing off alittle bit, not completely but have you heard of wave loading? small example, lets use the 32’s for 10 reps?

session 1 = 32 x 8 reps

session 2 = 32 x 10 reps

session 3 = 32 x 11 reps

session 4 = 30 x 8 reps

session 5 = 34 x 6 reps

session 6 = 34 x 7 reps etc etc

or once you get to point where feel things going backwards, have adeload week, reduce intensity (either weight or reps or sessions total) then go again

Ah cool. I’ll have a look into it. I may go back and start on 30’s if I struggle getting the 32’s up again. Hoping it’s a one off but if not I’ll drop the weight again

I know recovery is such a big thing with not using PEDs per se

I train 3 days a week doing upper/lower/fullbody because if I done say fullbody 3 times a week the last session of the week I’m whacked. Just don’t recover from it which is now why I run the programme I do yet still hit everything twice a week. [/quote]

maybe instead of doing upper lower all over, change to either
push/pull/legs

or
quad&chest / back&ham / shoulder&arms[/quote]

Only issue I’d have with that is hitting each group just once a week over three days where as doing upper lower all over allows it to be hit twice [/quote]

yeah, but if your pishing the intensity you’ll need the extra recovery as a natural….
swings and round abouts. if your failing lifts and strength declining it’s a sign your not getting enough recovery.

also depends on ammount of sets per group too. you could go to all over body, do:
2 work sets for chest
1 work set of shoulders
2 work sets for back (1 lat width 1 lat thickness)
2 work sets for legs
1 work set for calves
1 workset for biceps and triceps

repeat this every 3 days but change exercise used. ????

[haydn ward]

ok so if we take into account your not assisted and only just changed your diet it can have an affect. your recovery properties are going to be alil slower to someone on peds, so yeah you up the intensity, your recovery is going to be alittle slower and you would be best off backing off alittle bit, not completely but have you heard of wave loading? small example, lets use the 32’s for 10 reps?

session 1 = 32 x 8 reps

session 2 = 32 x 10 reps

session 3 = 32 x 11 reps

session 4 = 30 x 8 reps

session 5 = 34 x 6 reps

session 6 = 34 x 7 reps etc etc

or once you get to point where feel things going backwards, have adeload week, reduce intensity (either weight or reps or sessions total) then go again

Ah cool. I’ll have a look into it. I may go back and start on 30’s if I struggle getting the 32’s up again. Hoping it’s a one off but if not I’ll drop the weight again

I know recovery is such a big thing with not using PEDs per se

I train 3 days a week doing upper/lower/fullbody because if I done say fullbody 3 times a week the last session of the week I’m whacked. Just don’t recover from it which is now why I run the programme I do yet still hit everything twice a week. [/quote]

maybe instead of doing upper lower all over, change to either
push/pull/legs
or
quad&chest / back&ham / shoulder&arms

[haydn ward]

ok so if we take into account your not assisted and only just changed your diet it can have an affect. your recovery properties are going to be alil slower to someone on peds, so yeah you up the intensity, your recovery is going to be alittle slower and you would be best off backing off alittle bit, not completely but have you heard of wave loading? small example, lets use the 32’s for 10 reps?
session 1 = 32 x 8 reps
session 2 = 32 x 10 reps
session 3 = 32 x 11 reps
session 4 = 30 x 8 reps
session 5 = 34 x 6 reps
session 6 = 34 x 7 reps etc etc

or once you get to point where feel things going backwards, have adeload week, reduce intensity (either weight or reps or sessions total) then go again

[haydn ward]

strength curve buddy. its normal and it happens.
its your bodies way sometimes of saying “give this in particular a break so I can recover”

you took 32’s from 1 rep to 10! then stepped it up a weight, at that point personally I would then step back abit, increase the reps again, then work back upto that weight.

So id say set a rep goal for say 2 different moves for afew weeks pushing the reps at a high load for you, whilst keeping the others relatively “maintenance”
you cant push everything all the while.

But also when you say your diet is perfect, maybe your not getting enough calories afterwards for recovery? any PEDS? any other changes?

Maybe you do just need to vary the exercise used. But, don’t panic: it is normal to go forward then after alil while go backwards. Take it as a sign, give that movement a rest, back off alil on the loading for that muscle, then build it back up again.

[haydn ward]

If your tracking your macros you should I believe because they still are calories and macros your consuming, so will affect your daily consumption total.
Same as you should count things like your protein shakes (essentially the same thing)