[haydn ward]

there are afew different types of growth you can get.
things like eurotropin and hygetropin are a powder you reconstitute yourself in bacs water, or theres pre made solutions like norditropin, genetropin and omnitropin. usually the pre made solutions are more exspensive per iu.
side effects can include water retention, pain in joints, such as hands, hands can go ‘tingly’ or numb, then if its over abused the sides get worse.
some people take growth daily, some take it every over day, some do 5 days on, 2 days off, theres lots of different protocols to use
BUT growth is not a miracle drug. its not going to give you amazing fat loss and tonnes of mass. I used it primarily for recovery after sessions. but you got to be on it for months. start at 4iu every day, primarily split 2iu on waking then 2iu either pre or post workout.
but on growth be prepared to pay around £100 amonth for it. for several months.

[haydn ward]

Martin. Unless they do a blood test and check your growth hormone levels then they wont see a difference. Dont quote me 100% but im sure it womt show in a piss test as its signalling ypir bodu to produce more growth, its not a drug. Google nucleus resear.ch (with the . In it) ive used them for peptides, totally legal, quick and easy compamy to use, they reapond to emails and guy who runs it is knowledgable, he has a powerful myostatin inhibitor which id love to try but its VERY exspensive

[haydn ward]

Right ok. From that point then, recovery os going to be key from a military point of view, stackin ghrp2 with mod grf will be best, only issue would be needs 3x day injections. I know some who inject 6x day lol. But this boosts your natural gh release. Im thinking of retrying this above protocol, but injecting every 4 hours as I have the meams to do it and fairly cheap tbh.
You could try boom dosing: use ipamorelin, usuallu comes in 2mg vials. Do the whole 2mg in 1 dose, once per week just before bed but on an empty stomach. I hear this works very well but never tried it perspnally.
if ypu have the money tho, getting hold of growth is better than peptides. Get something like norditropin or omnitropin, do 8iu every other day. Split that into 4iu am and 4iu pm, day on day off. This would be better, if ypu can afford it guys.
OR, do growth 1 day, peptides the next, then day off, then repeat. A company called “nucleus resear.ch” they do a finky blend theycall sgh 10. You could give that a stab along side the growth.
I dont think you will see lots from igf or peg mgf etc unless you do big doses straight after a workout so makes it costly. Hope that helps?

[haydn ward]

Jordan has said previously that they aren’t really worth it – most are/can be bunk. the real things cost a hell of a lot, and then you buy it you cant guarantee its purity or that you wont damage it during reconstitution or storage…
BUT
there are 2 I have run, which worked for me:
GHRP6 – this stuff used to make me hungry as hell so when bulking was brilliant. the trouble was you have to inject it atleast 3 times a day otherwise its pointless
IGF LR3 – ive ran this twice: first time, nothing. second time, I used it in just my legs, and I gained an inch per leg in 1 course. you have to get the timing spot on as well as your nutrition.

if your gona be playing with peptides, do yourself a favour, save up and just buy growth. you can buy 100 iu kits for £125-£150 mark and would be much more beneficial then peptides.

if your worried about being ‘detected’, then kinda sounds like you want to use them when you shouldn’t (ie cheating) so maybe don’t use them?
your better off going down the sarms route in that case than peptides. I had better results off sarms than peptides and not as much hassle.

just giving honest feedback from experience.

[haydn ward]

yeah you could drop it to see if it helps.
I mean I know some people who don’t use zma all the while – if they know they are going to get limited sleep they use it to improve the quality of that sleep.
you could get zinc and b6 tablets, cut out the magnesium all together, depends how savi you want to be with your supplements buddy

[haydn ward]

Jordan – you comment about being a hip or quad lifter, my quads are a lot thicker up top and the lower end never really seems to grow, I mean yes, my ‘tear drop’ is slowly developing but my upper quads have ballooned!
firstly – im glad this has explained why lol
secondly – is there more specific or better exercises we should be doing as were hip lifters??

[haydn ward]

all protein you eat is protein. so yes you have to account for the protein in ALL your foods – rice, oats, bagels, cereal, diary, eggs, meats, veg, etc etc etc.
as for the protein, all depending on your macro split as to how much protein you should take:
some people will say 1g per lb in bodyweight, some will say 2g per lb in bodyweight. some will differ between rest days and work days. so at 62kg, your protein intake should be somewhere between 124g upto 248g daily. your also going to want to look at your stage in training. if your bulking/standard off season, your going to want a higher carb intake, which gives you less play room with your total macros. so may require lower protein to accommodate the carbs. but, if your cutting, you can replace some of those carbs with proteins.
hopfully that makes some sort of sense?

[haydn ward]

ad nutrition – bulldoze. great product. I always get deep sleep on this stuff. I will say, gives me some crazy dreams, but once im out im out until alarm goes off in morning, and I get to sleep in about 10 mins of getting in bed, usually I take about half hour to nod off and then wake up a lot during the night.
prosupps crash is pretty good too as it has a derivative of GABA in it. nothing beats the good old days of pure GABA!

but, if just pure zma is what your after: zma is zma, most companies stock it and its usualy around £10-20.

[haydn ward]

i make my own:
*biotech usa creatine mono – 10g
*biotech usa bcaa zero (sugar free) cola flavour – double scoop (20g)
*biotech usa carbox (mixed fast carbs powder) – 50g
*olymp electrolyte sports mix, 1 sachet
mix in a 2litre jug, drink throughout workout.
works out at about £40 for months worth. since using this concoction, over the last 2 months, my strength, size and edurance during workouts has improved so I find it beneficial.

[haydn ward]

ok, well it looks like theres ample time between sessions for recovery. maybe look at your intra and post training nutrition to ensure your kickstarting the recovery ASAP

[haydn ward]

but:
1g carb = 4 calories
1g fat = 9calories.
so if on a rest day your calorific requirement is lower, if your already on a higher fat/lower carb diet you will be getting a lot more cals in fat than carbs (over double)
theres no ‘need’ for carbs for cals, theres cals for cals. all depends if you WANT carbs 😉

[haydn ward]

how have you got your week set out? my week looks like this:
mon heavy pull MR press
tue heavy hams MR quad calf
wed rest
thur heavy press MR pull
fri off
sat heavy quad calf MR hams, abduct and adduct
sun off
im finding on this set up I get ample recovery. the MR work isn’t to focus, so, if you are sore from the previous heavy work, as you say when it comes to do MR for your back, then go by feel and use a lighter load. remember the goal of MR is primarily to pump, secondary for additional load, so going alittle lighter isn’t a problem. focus the heavy work for your effort and youll keep growing.
im 4 weeks in on this rotation and people are noticing a difference, I get comments at work and off my pt clients about fact im getting bigger. so its definatly working.

after this, I might go back to a hst style program where every other day you train whole body, 2 exercises per body part, 3 work sets in total per body part with varying intensity, so day 1 is light (work sets hitting 12-15), day 2 is medium (work sets hitting 8-10), day 3 is heavy (work sets hitting 5-7) then 4th day ill do muscle round per body part, then start the cycle again, but choose different exercises. ive used that before to great effect.
so an example workout for 4 workouts would be:
incline bench
wide dip
upright row
db shoulder press
leg press
stiff leg deads
narrow row
wide lat pull
hammer curl
close grip bench
calf press

[haydn ward]

Duno if this helps you but I have this
intra work out mix (made with 1.5ltr water)
15g bcaa
10g creatine
50g carb powder
1 sachet of electrolyte powder.
*Bcaa costs me £20/month
*creatine I buy 1kg and lasts afew months (£10)
*carb powder costs me £10/month
all above are from biotech usa
then the electrolytes are from olyp, 24 sechets for £12, 1sachet per drink.

so for an intra workout, it costs me around £40 per month but you could strip this down and remove the electrolytes, even reduce the ammount of carbs and bcaas (I weight 115kg so id need a decent amount lol). Does what it needs to, just ensure you fuel up after session.
Ive tried just water intra workout, just bcaas, but this mix ive noticed keeps me going longer and stronger in session, thus get better results.

[haydn ward]

yeah exactly: if your taking your 10 rep max and forcing out 24 reps, that means the last 2 sets will be a struggle. usually the first 2 sets feel like nothing, then 3 and 4 get a good pump, 5 and 6 are a struggle. but you have to be strict with the 10 second rest periods.
then yes, if after 2-3 weeks at the same weight, you finish all 6 sets and feel fine, then yes you progress the weight. but that’s natural anyway if your training properly? as your 10 rep max will increase as your strength does. if it doesn’t it means something going wrong.
when I do this, I only do 1 muscle round per bodypart, so for chest I do a fly/pec dec. that’s it, I don’t do more than 1 lot of muscle rounds. so if I finish that muscle round and I didn’t struggle, then next week I up the weight.

[haydn ward]

yeah I usually drink between 2 to 3 litres of water during the session. and I sweat buckets! I’ve always heated up quick during training, sometimes in winter if the rooms cold I get to point where im letting off steam. I even sweat loads in the night, even when not on tren Im always damp at night time.
atleast im not only one then lol