[Chris]

Out of interest what’s the lab?

Only reason I ask is I’ve had some weird experiences with SG Primo. I’m fine with their oils but their primo seems to give me a mild allergic reaction.

Even low dose 50mg makes my eyes and forehead itch. It’s so strange. Never had any reaction local to the injection site though.

[Chris]

Thanks so much for sharing all you the info you do Jordan, it’s inspired me to work in more cardio and HIIT sessions which I’m really getting into now.

Has your pre/intra-nutrition changed at all now you’ve added in the conditioning routines?

I’m starting re-think my own as the post-weights conditioning rounds are also giving me gnarly back pumps and leg pumps which feel like a hinderence.

[Chris]

Anyone ordered from savage recently? Seeing mixed reviews as of late

[Chris]

Hi mate, injuries and set backs are just part and parcel of training and pushing your body.

So don’t beat yourself up about any ‘lost gains’ or lost progress while you’re in recovery – you’ll be amazed how quickly it all comes back.

Way I see it, you’re currently healing so all those extra calories will do just fine 🙂

Give yourself some time to recover, eat some crap food! In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter much.

The motivation will come back in time, but for try not to be too sedentary. Get some steps in, go for some long walks etc.

Have you been prescribed any pain meds post surgery? For me they can blunt a lot of motivation as you’d expect.

Defo wouldn’t look to adding in any fat burners or drugs currently mate. Don’t be so hard on yourself and make some better food choices in steps, maybe try get back on plan but have an off plan meal worked in every day for now?

If lack of motivation extends to more than just training and you find day to day stuff a struggle, go talk to your GP mate or reach out to friends/family etc.

[Chris]

Signs for me other than already mentioned.

High = oily skin, blood pressure up

Low = dry skin

[Chris]

Don’t suppose you got any bloodwork done when on the 500mg test?

Would have been really useful to see where that put estrogen to fine tune later on.

Going with a lower dose test 350mg seems reasonable given your estrogen sides, but adding in NPP is gonna make that trickier to really figure out if those sides arise again at 350mg test.

How about 350mg test e, 200mg primo instead of npp. Run that for say 6-7 weeks then get some bloods done to see where you sit with estrogen.

If you want to use NPP, 200mg test, 200mg primo, 200mg npp would be my personal choice. Diet dependent that would keep the water off me, appetite in check, a nice hassle free cycle.

Not a huge fan of EQ, so, sorry can’t really offer much help incorporating that if you only want to stick to what you have on hand.

[Chris]

mast seems a bit redundant in conjunction with the primo, mate. Might also drop estrogen too low.

200mg test, 200mg primo is a fine starting point.

The smart setup might be to start there and bump either primo or test incrementally as you go through the offseason.

Or just stick with the 400mg total if its serving you well. I don’t know where you are in terms of development, but offseason = food and a touch of drugs.

Play with the ratios a little, see which you feel/look best on, you can most likely get away without using an AI.

I’ve done silly offseason cycles in the past thinking more drugs = more growth. Resulting in me not being able to really scale up food. Don’t do that.

[Chris]

What’s your bodyfat % at?

How long are the pins you’re using?

Sounds like you aren’t getting deep enough into the muscle and it’s sitting subq.

Have you pinned the Test E anywhere else just to rule out the gear itself?

Personally not a fan of pinning glutes, look at ventrogluteal, delts, lats.

Much less hassle and if you compete or have plans to, avoiding scar tissue on glutes and quads isn’t a bad idea either.

[Chris]

How significant has the drop been? It may just be your body re adjusting a touch? How bad are the hypos? Wet through cold sweats? And shakes? If there not at that level and it’s just hunger. Your good suck it up! I use to embrace the hypos on prep! There a challenge. You ride them out your getting leaner ?

Dropped from ~4200 on training days down to ~2800. I’ve dieted on way less calories in the past and not experienced this, but yeah, might still be adjusting to the carb drop.

Either that or this cyclic dextrin I got is really just glucose and its slamming me later on 😀

Sweating, shakes, tunnel vision. Resulted in the best tasting cocopops in the world though.

Thanks for the replies, I’ll stash some rice krispie bars in my gym bag for the journey home.

[Chris]

Lots of threads on this lately.

In a nutshell, great hassle free option for cruise/trt but IM still the better option for blasting injects anything north of 1ml at a time.

Gear/tolerance dependent ofcourse you might find 0.5ml is your limit before you get some localised reaction etc.

[Chris]

SubQ is perfect for cruise periods giving your routine sites a rest. Use thinner gear with insulin pins and it’s a breath of fresh air aha.

Whether you pin subq on blasts depends on overall oil volume.

Pinning longer esters ED fits this protocol well but it’s gonna boil down to how your body reacts locally to the pins.

Small, temporary lumps and some mild soreness are to be expected depending on gear and overall volume. Even so, the discomfort is much less than IM pip I’ve experienced.

[Chris]

At this stage now your having these discussions , wouldn’t it be nice to just never have to think about a cycle again!? And it just be a perma 250 or whatever dose you pick.

I think I’m pretty much there, I just need to be accepting of certain things psychologically which might take some doing.

I can use X amoung of drugs, I have X weight cap and my health markers need to be X.

Now how strong can you be, how good can you look within these new parameters. I think that’s something that would be pretty motivating for me.

The challenge would be in not adding in some primo/var when a summer holiday rolls around, or the bigger danger for me is using it as a crutch when things in life get a bit rocky – hitting consistant PRs and just leaving it all in the gym is just great therapy.

[Chris]

i go back and forth all the time on homebrewing. The process itself isn’t *hard*, but you’re still exposing yourself to fuckery with bunk raws.

Atleast that way, once you’ve had your stash of raws tested, you’re good to go in terms of dosing across the entire batch you brew.

I’m just a hobbyist so I’ll stick to the labs JP mentioned knowing that they wouldn’t intentionally underdose which makes them by far the best of a bad bunch lately.

If I was a pro or made a living off my physique I’d be losing my mind over this uncontrollable variable.

[Chris]

Been crippled with pip from the rohm test e 20/24 batch that’s meant to be fixed . Did 1 ml last Sunday still can barley move my arm
And has a big egg on . Dissapointing ! Any one else had issues . Many thanks

Getting some pip myself from Dimensions Test E, really miniscule amounts too (1.5iu).

Been reading some rumblings online about pip relating specifically to enanthate raws, but who knows.

Will be switching over to Cypionate in the next few days. Fuck having PIP on a cruise 😀

[Chris]

I think it would be a bit of a gamble/guessing game throwing in Proviron to help manage the estro from the dbol?

If you’re set on running the dbol but are susceptible or concerned about gyno, then I’d consider running some novadex alongside it. Maybe 10mg moving to 20mg if you start to feel some nipple issues.

You’d still get the estrogenic benefits of the dbol, but my understanding is, the nolva will specifically help prevent issues in the breast tissue.