[Josh]

hi James. what benefits do you find GH as in off season and do you find it makes you retain a shit ton of water particularly when you re introduce it?

[Josh]

hi Joe what’s cycle now then? in terms of your diet it interests me that you don’t opt for the pro/fat approach probably only one of a few that doesn’t. is there a reason for this pal?

[Josh]

Your output is real high, extra calories needed for sure. Don’t focus on chasing scales gage performance as key factor when looking to grow…. putting weight on for the sake of it means nothing and will not benefit you
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understood pal but putting any weight on at all seems to be an issue? I’ve pulled T3 so see what happens on these calories [/quote]

No it doesn’t as long as Strenght is on the up then it’s not an issue, gaining weight alone isn’t everything

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to be honest bud I’m strong as an ox for my body weight ATM I just put that down to the rebound cycle thanks for your input big man hope your on the mend

[Josh]

Your output is real high, extra calories needed for sure. Don’t focus on chasing scales gage performance as key factor when looking to grow…. putting weight on for the sake of it means nothing and will not benefit you

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understood pal but putting any weight on at all seems to be an issue? I’ve pulled T3 so see what happens on these calories

[Josh]

what are your kcals per day? and what are your macros?
t3 in one person is not relevant or comparable to another…hilly for example has a lower natural thyroid output, so using 25 maybe just put him into range…another individual could have the same reading without any exogenous use.
the basics here is energy balance

To add to this.  My T3 has been low for a long time, However I have been off for the past 8 weeks and got my T3 tested and its now higher than it was when on 25mcg t3 lol.
So you may be actually slowing your own metabolism down by taking low dose T3.
which is also why when you have Insta message me I explained not to taper down to 12.5 josh
As we have discussed all this on insta because he said he didn’t want to many peoples opinions but seems he did lololol
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I’m not tapering down to 12.5mg hilly. I’m coming off[/quote]

I didn’t say you were. I said you were going to n I told you not to bother.

As we have had lengthy discussion abt this here

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ok mate the issue here wasn’t disagreeing with your advice mate I’ve took it. I just found it strange how I put weight on with a higher dose t3 post show compared to how tapered down I can’t put anymore on

[Josh]

as youre 8 weeks post show, i assume you have you had bloods too? what was your thyroid reading here?

are those direct macros or macros from an app?

food isn’t super high, so I would personally up my kcals

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I did have bloods with the GP but they didn’t test T3 and T4 only TSH which was in range. I’m going to drop T3 as of tomorrow and use sea kelp for support. Those are macros from an app but I eat the same amounts everyday. once T3 is out I’ll reassess and drop food if weight fly’s up or condition wavers too much. I will also be getting bloods at end of December whilst on cruise to see if bloods are good. they were pretty good 4 weeks into rebound. This time I will make sure it includes T3 and T4 as well as other health markers

[Josh]

what are your kcals per day? and what are your macros?

t3 in one person is not relevant or comparable to another…hilly for example has a lower natural thyroid output, so using 25 maybe just put him into range…another individual could have the same reading without any exogenous use.

the basics here is energy balance

To add to this.  My T3 has been low for a long time, However I have been off for the past 8 weeks and got my T3 tested and its now higher than it was when on 25mcg t3 lol.

So you may be actually slowing your own metabolism down by taking low dose T3.

which is also why when you have Insta message me I explained not to taper down to 12.5 josh

As we have discussed all this on insta because he said he didn’t want to many peoples opinions but seems he did lololol

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I’m not tapering down to 12.5mg hilly. I’m coming off

[Josh]

what are your kcals per day? and what are your macros?

t3 in one person is not relevant or comparable to another…hilly for example has a lower natural thyroid output, so using 25 maybe just put him into range…another individual could have the same reading without any exogenous use.

the basics here is energy balance

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hey Corinne thanks for the input. I think I originally started on T3 with yourself. Currently macros are 350p 525c 60f both TD and RD my output is pretty similar both days as when it’s RD my evening job sees me do around 10k steps. maybe drop the T3 now? and see if that slows things down a bit? thanks

[Josh]

You have gained almost 2 stone in 8 weeks.

If you want to gain more eat more.

I don’t see the confusion

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haha thanks hilly it’s getting hard work ????????. think the 25k steps daily might have something to do with it?

[Josh]

it’s weird cos as I came out of comp I tapered down T3 from 50 to 37.5 now at 25mg and ready to drop out with sea kelp as support after speaking to @ryanpetford. Hilly mentioned he used T3 for 2 years continuous and still gained weight/size and ive added 24lbs as mentioned on higher doses of T3 so unsure thats the issue? maybe it’s just my activity levels @ryanpetford @hilly @bigbenchriche @clarebarks

[Josh]

it’s weird cos as I came out of comp I tapered down T3 from 50 to 37.5 now at 25mg and ready to drop out with sea kelp as support after speaking to @ryanpetford. Hilly mentioned he used T3 for 2 years continuous and still gained weight/size and ive added 24lbs as mentioned on higher doses of T3 so unsure thats the issue? maybe it’s just my activity levels @ryanpetford @hilly @bigbenchriche @clarebarks

[Josh]

also Ryan did you see a declining condition with cease of t3 coupled with increase in food? what was your rebound cycle?

hey m8, full pct and rebound cycles are under cycle section. Didn’t have much of a rebound coming off the t3. my dose was only 25mg and i have a good supplement protocol. pics are from today 122kg before full pct.

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thanks Ryan is that the introduction of sea kelp your reference too with the supplement protocol?

[Josh]

also Ryan did you see a declining condition with cease of t3 coupled with increase in food? what was your rebound cycle?

[Josh]

what dosages of HCG and clomid will you be doing mate? will you be following deans protocol and waiting 5 weeks

[Josh]

hi Joe is your latest diet anywhere that matches the current macros. as with my activity levels that’s somewhere where I need to be around calorie wise. so id like to follow it for a short while