[Jonathan]

1:1:1 is a good starting point as usually test with nandrolone does cause a higher rise in E2 we tend to find. However as wit all things it’s dose and person depending.

for example 200mg test, 200mg nandralon and 200mg EQ may well still cause low E2 in some were as 400mg test, 400mg nandralon and 400mg Eq might sit just right.

need to just go with a dose and then get blood work done so a 1:1:1 ratio is a good start point. Have some adex on hand incase E2 spikes and Dbol on hand incase it crashes for safety measures

4:2:1 not adviced?

[Jonathan]

I would think running 1:1:1 would crash your e2 then.

Just my opinion tho

Probably start at like 3:1:1 and asses ?

I think Ive seen JP write on some post that 1:1:1 works. Might be because bot test and nand increase estrogen whilst nand might also uppregulate the e from test?!

[Jonathan]

How was the e2 sitting at 125 mg and 60 nand

Didn’t test it since I didn’t have any estrogen sides.

Same now, no sides showing atm

[Jonathan]

What did you run last push?

Did 125mg test, 60 nand, 20 tren eod at max.

Currently in defficit at 25 test, 60 nand, 40 mast ed.

[Jonathan]

Hey Jonathan. Personally I would run either Deca or Mast. Not both at the same time.

Hey, why is that the case, I have seen that it is an not so common cycle but haven’t seen why? Is it because one dries you out and one puts on fluid?

Would the test mast not make me gain more fluid than low test high deca mast?

Most would opt for mast in a cut ofc so then going 100test-50mast would be good no? Also healthy to have a long clearence time for deca yes?

Thanks!

[Jonathan]

I guess could do .05 increase but thought mostly bc the syringe incraments go in 0.1

[Jonathan]

if your taking – 25mg test, 60mg nandralone and 30mg mast daily now.

you want to increase the load by say 150mg total per week. Then you work out how to increase your dose to do that for each compound. Or the simplest way to stay as close as you can

Only way I see is to di uneven injections?

[Jonathan]

If all is working so well why not just making equal increases to all drugs currently. If everything seems well balanced with no sides I would not change what is working so well and stick with these ratios TBH

How would that be done just asking since im at 0.1ml o test per day the next step up is 0.2ml meaning everything else would also have to double so tbh not sure how Id do that!

[Jonathan]

From the 4th of feb I’ve been doing ed injections with 25mg test, 60mg nand, 30mg mast, weekly that is 805mg. Defficit is til end of march and then heading into a cruise for about 2 months. No real sides atm but thinking to ad som mgs now in the end. Thinking there are a few routes to go down.

A, increase test to 50mg and mast to 40 which would put me at 1050.

Or

B, Go to 100mg test + 50mg mast which is 1050 weakly.

My thoughts on this is that i contribute the low sides from the high nand to the low test, could it be so? Then adding test might change that?

Also from a clearing out point would be good to switch to test and mast only so the deca really gets to clear out during the cruise.

Though also is that nandrolone is usualy called a watery compound but aromatizes less then test so which cycle would be more watery and which would result in a drier fuller look in the end?

Thanks for the inputs!

[Jonathan]

On lowcarb days would it be wise to add in some EFAs say salmon,nuts etc for health since fats overall are verylow the other days?

[Jonathan]

Hey buddy, what results are you having with the current set up? I definitely wouldn’t remove them all together but I’m not against having lower carbs on rest days to training days.

Have been at this setup for about 3 months now and down 8-9kg so about 20 pounds without having changed to much more then becoming more strict as time went and planing when to eat what meal etc, prev has ju been get the meals any time now more focus on what meal when and carbcycling more. Performance in the gym has been good but ofc just trying to dail in more perimiters!

8-9kg is alright and feel like mostly fat has been lost since bodycomp is great, although sometime I feel that the fatdecrease has been a but slow.

[Jonathan]

Thanks alot!

Another question,

GH is released in the body when in a fasted state and at night, so as im not using exogenous GH would it make a difference for me (if possible depending on current carb intake etc) to keep carbs away from last meal and possibly even first meal? And how little carbs are needed to spike insulin to affect GH production? Say I eat some protein with a little greens that ad up to under 10g carbs?

This is way overthinking. No need to avoid carbs pre bed or in your first meal for this reason.[/quote]

But trying to focus carbs around the workout perimiter would be wise yes?

[Jonathan]

Thanks alot!

Another question,

GH is released in the body when in a fasted state and at night, so as im not using exogenous GH would it make a difference for me (if possible depending on current carb intake etc) to keep carbs away from last meal and possibly even first meal? And how little carbs are needed to spike insulin to affect GH production? Say I eat some protein with a little greens that ad up to under 10g carbs?

[Jonathan]

Would there be a point in haveing low(restday) mid(upper) high(lower) carb days? Say around 500 on lower, 425 on upper and 200-300 on restdays while increasing fat that day?

[Jonathan]

Was thinking then that I will have to go ED so say 25mg test, 60mg nand and start with 30mg mast and move up to 40. Just speculating, will the mast help reduce the fluid retention or not since it does not act as an ai more like a serm och will the (probable) loss of fluidretention be more from lowering the total mg of nand?