[jordan]

I would go with 300mg total – asses progress, feel and bloodwork at week 6 and then decide if you really need to increase and if so move to 450mg then repeat the process 🙂

300mg/week is wayyy better than what I was expecting!
Thanks for your input hilly mate!

[jordan]

No, the only diff is longer esters have slightly less mg of active hormone per 100mg of total drug as the ester weight occupies some space . So nandrolone phenylprop has like 63 odd mg of nandrolone per 100mg and nandrolone decanoate has 62mg , it’s something like that anyways , I can’t remember exact numbers as it’s useless info . So the only thing you would do is if the diff was higher nandrolone base Vs nandrolone decanoate , you would run less of the base as you will be getting all 100mg of the hormone instead of 62mg .

Everything you have said about accumulation , isn’t a thing . You have just imagined that scenario basically haha

Thanks for clearing that up Jordan!

it started after I watched a Dave Crossland podcast where he mentioned something about it. I’ve obviously picked up the wrong bit information that he was trying to put out.. that’s it cleared up and out my head now anyway and I can get rid of that imagined scenario from pestering me any further hahaha

[jordan]

Thanks for the clarity guys, I knew it sounded a bit silly but when you hear someone speak about it with so much confidence sometimes it’s very easy to fall into the trap of believing everything they say – that’s why I thought here would be the best place for clarity on real life application.

Again, thanks! One stupid question at a time I’ll eventually get rid of all these weird thoughts that have been implanted by believing what someone else has told me 😂

Ryan, if you see this – is there a reason you’d opt for an injectable like primo over an oral? What would you say a sensible start dose for primo be, 200mgs/week?

[jordan]

Crashed E2? I have heard of guys crashing their estrogen when using EQ but seems to vary a lot. I’d defo be getting bloodwork on this.

I defos will get blood done, reading this might drop out the arimidex for now too!

[jordan]

Could be EQ, i have tried it 3 times and always feel like shit on it after some time, lose all motivation. But only bloods will tell buddy, post it and we can help you easier.

Yeah I’ll get bloods done this month for sure

[jordan]

What lab are you using ? It sounds like fake bits for sure

ParaPharma EQ & Crown pharma test e, the parapharma is the one that I haven’t used before so I’m currently putting the blame on that. Dropped it as of today and going to get bloods done in the next few weeks.
Just never thought something being faked would have such a dramatic negative effect

[jordan]

 

appreciate the amount of information you managed to throw in there! Made it make a lot more sense hearing it like that so thanks mate

[jordan]

Hey buddy! If it was me personally I would split it between the 7 days evenly and take 3.5iu every morning fasted before cardio/breakfast. However I know a lot of guys like to split the dose between AM and PM and a lot of guys even split AM, Post Workout & PM. I don’t think it makes a huge huge different personally so I stick with the most basic options for myself. So choose what suits your lifestyle best!

Thank you mate appreciate your reply!

[jordan]

Is there any way of knowing it’s real other than getting it tested? Like effects to look out for or are you best just always getting it tested every time?

[jordan]

Hey, true trt would be around 150mg plus hcg. Hcg dose would be 100iu daily or 200iu eod. This will help free testosterone and keep testes active should you want children.

Ah okay I get it, thank you!

[jordan]

Did u do anything to try and raise it naturally first ?
No need for clomid on Trt
Low dose hcg is n option if you want to maintain testicular size only imo

Honestly, I never really knew that was an option if my testosterone was naturally low – my first thought was TRT to try and sort it asap. I did try and search how to increase testosterone but it was just the usual google hits that came up like get more sleep, lift, eat healthier etc – that was all in check pre lockdown. How else would you increase it naturally?

[jordan]

Imo no reason to use clomid or hcg at this point if you are taking a plunge to stay on trt bud

That simplifies it then, which is great. Do you think 150mgs/week is enough for trt yeah?

[jordan]

Hi mate
Pretty much everyone agrees that if you work to positive failure, the last 5 reps of the set are the “stimulating reps”. That can be a set of 5, up to 20-25.
With that, logic tells us that anything under 5 reps is denying us stimulating reps, and as Clare said, it’s more likely to cook your CNS.
That said, going down to 3’s can add value if you are focussing on strength development, although at that point we’d probably be having a discussion around whether you want to be going to failure.
In short, as long as you know why you’re doing what you’re doing, there probably isn’t a wrong way to do it, but understand what your focus of the block is

That’s actually really interesting about the final 5 reps being stimulating reps, I’ve never thought of it like that or even heard it like that. Definitely be making a few tweaks and changes to my next training block – cheers mate!
One last thing, Would you say when going for around 3 reps on a one off basis, you’d avoid going to failure? Or only if it’s on a consistent basis?

[jordan]

In terms of hypertrophy, I think aiming for around 6-8 reps for your top working set would be a more effective range. You will certainly be able to progress in strength at a lower rep range, but if your goal is to build muscle and not hammer your joints in every session, then 6-8 reps will enable you to lift a substantial amount of weight, keep your target muscle under tension for longer, enable you to push to failure safer and not fry your CNS. 
Having said this though, when you are ready to progress in load, you may end up doing these shorter rep ranges to feel the next weight up before being able to get more reps.
For your back off sets, aiming for around 12-15 reps would be my go to range.

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Yeah I agree, This particular programme I’ve just let my ego take over and as the weights been going up every week I’ve just been telling myself “a stronger muscle is a bigger muscle” and that it’ll leave me in a stronger position when me next programme starts and my main focus returns solely to Hypertrophy.
I’ve fortunately not felt any joint problems, but it’s something that has crossed my mind and has me worried at times.

In terms of my deload, my goal is always minimum of 12, i leave myself a 8 rep window to allow myself to fail, whenever i hit 17, i Add load 🙂

Thanks so much for the response!

[jordan]

There is no wrong or right here as mentioned. But what joe said about JP is true . Sometimes he’ll go low 2-3 reps. But then again objective there is to touch the weight , know how it feels, go away prepare for it mentally and come back next time & rinse it.
IMO i prefer between 5-9 reps, I’ve occasionally fell under that and hit 4 reps..but I’ll ensure not to add load until I can build that up to between 6-9.
Clare mentioned joint care , which i agree is important to take into consideration my man . Also the ability to recover and go again as those low rep ranges will fry CNS to the max.
I mean if things are working for you , why fix something that isn’t broken? You and Jordan have very different circumstances?

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Progressing for now is coming easy mate, it’s keeping that going when things get tough I’m worrying about haha!
I’ve had no joint problems so far (touch wood) and have planned a 14-21 day deload phase after next week (which marks 13 weeks of training like this)
In terms of fixing what isn’t broken, realistically I’m happy with what’s happened so far – but with someone with the mass of jordan, it’s hard not to look at him and just want to do exactly what he does, as pathetic as that may sounds to some