[Khalifa]

Also the day I stopped being too specific about training and nutrition and sticking to your rule of push weight up and get really strong, I made the best gainz compared to the last 8 years of lifting. Can’t thank you enough for making things so simple lol. now trying to get lean lean then do another push push and extremely excited for it!

[Khalifa]

Hey Jordan

Just a question on Solidifying, I get the concept just curious on how that would go cause if you get into a deficit youll drop down and if in surplus weight will go up. So I assume solidifying would be at maintenance food and make changes to PEDs and activity?

Thanks big guy

[Khalifa]

Much Thanks Kuba! I will try to stay on TRT+ for the next 6 weeks taking into account 4 weeks of ramadan + 2 weeks to get back into baseline maintenance in terms of calories. Thinking of 150mg test (my test is 300mg/ml hard to run 125) and just keep in 100mg mast. After 6 weeks can get bloods and see if the markers have improved. Is this what you mean by TRT plus?

thanks

Correct 🙂 trt plus = close to trt but not quite 😉[/quote]

Quick update:

drpped to trt+ 125mg T 100mg M

blood work came back as shown below:

E2: 69 pg/ml

Test: 33 nmol/l

Prolactin: 20.9 ng/ml

I noticed E2 and Test are lower, energy is good libido sometimes okay sometimes crap. I used Horney goat weed once and it was crazy.

Any reason on why prolactin has gone up?

thanks

[Khalifa]

Awesome! Thanks once again brother 🫡

[Khalifa]

Much Thanks Kuba! I will try to stay on TRT+ for the next 6 weeks taking into account 4 weeks of ramadan + 2 weeks to get back into baseline maintenance in terms of calories. Thinking of 150mg test (my test is 300mg/ml hard to run 125) and just keep in 100mg mast. After 6 weeks can get bloods and see if the markers have improved. Is this what you mean by TRT plus?

thanks

[Khalifa]

So just drop to TRT and hold it till the lab work is cleaner or till ramadan ends? All the other health markers are perfect. I only wanted to check if I am doing something wrong here. I read that low progesterone can also cause ED is that something you came across?

Regarding the fat loss in ramadan honeslty its rather difficult to maintain or gain with a very small eating window hence why I mentioned I will levarage fatloss but will not be a strict big deficit just based on what I can eat during the feeding window. I will drop the test to 150 and stay there till after ramadan and get my labs and will report back. Thanks Kuba!

[Khalifa]

Hey All!

So I took complete time off from training and cardio and wasn’t paying too much attention on the diet either. Had a few controlled cheats here and there but after 4 days body weight is up 1KG however feeling much more relaxed and got a dryer and veiny look. Haven’t seen my quad veins pop up in a long time. Tomorrow getting back into the cut and will push it on for 4 weeks before I go for a vacation with the misses. Thank you all for your advice And looking forward to see how much I can achieve in these 4 weeks 👏

[Khalifa]

If scale weight isn’t moving unless you have just added drugs or gh you likely aren’t dropping much.

If you feel like you are dying I would take 2/3 days complete rest and don’t do any cardio keep steps minimal and bring cals up to 2500 to re set and drop some fatigue

I recently just removed the GH to check if water weight will drop. Training is hard that’s why I feel like dying but I can still push the training. Should I still take the 2/3 days?[/quote]

Removing gh here doesn’t make sense gh won’t impact fat loss and if it’s water just removing gh will see water loss from gh its self which doesn’t solve the problem here.

Yeah you should if you aren’t moving and your tired

If you aren’t then you need to crack on and move forward with changes to get moving although 1700 calories I don’t have bikini girls diet on this so something is likely off with entire set up or how you set up this phase [/quote]
Absolutely agree! I made many mistakes this time but I learnt from them I have a vacation planned before end of the year and after that plan to get back on the gain train so thought I’d use these few remaining weeks to shed some fat. I will increase cals to 2500 for 3 days and stop cardio and training and then crack back on. Much thanks brother

[Khalifa]

If scale weight isn’t moving unless you have just added drugs or gh you likely aren’t dropping much.

If you feel like you are dying I would take 2/3 days complete rest and don’t do any cardio keep steps minimal and bring cals up to 2500 to re set and drop some fatigue

I recently just removed the GH to check if water weight will drop. Training is hard that’s why I feel like dying but I can still push the training. Should I still take the 2/3 days?

[Khalifa]

At 20iu , you got fatter as you rushed your caloric increase

So the framework for effective use is, get super lean – like very lean , initially bring body up 5-6 pounds to drop fatigue , then very very slowly take your body weight up , 1 pound a week

( the above is the general frame we advise for just everyone )

Add in 5iu of Lantus

Then at that rate of gain of body eight , go up initially very slowly in the Lantus too. So after 2-3 weeks, 6iu , another couple weeks 7iu etc etc then you will be upto 15-20iu / day and all it will of done is helped facilitate your above overall offseason approach

Thanks Jordan

I really did rush my calories added over 1000+ the moment I decided to push and immediately went in with 10iu. For your advice I think that would be my next plan thats for sure. Sorry for asking but would you consider a rapid insulin after reaching that 15/20iu mark or it could be added as the lantus keeps on going ? And would I add 1iu each two weeks irrespective of the BG reading? Thanks

[Khalifa]

I’m with Haider here. I would take things a little more steady next time around. However, now you’re at this point, I’d continue as you are, but use cardio and steps to increase the deficit before dropping more food.

I totally agree with this! Sometimes I just need reassurance haha! Might be the low cals affecting my thinking capacity but I’m not planning to drop anymore food from this point forward. But I was curious if anyone has pushed T3 and if it’s a good thing to do to push that metabolism higher. I know it may eat up some tissue but since I’ve included tren I guess the anti catabolic agent will help prevent it. I could also be wrong but here to learn[/quote]

I would have no issues with pushing t3 to 50mcg for this 4 weeks run in to maximise fat loss.

If your goal is to simply drop as much body fat in this time then you simply do what is needed to do so.

I would keep the high day in as long as rate of fat loss is good but if it doesn’t seem to be at the time then I would hold off on referring until your strength takes a hit or you feel like you need it [/quote]
Awesome! I was already feeling miserable for not having that high day haha! At 1800 calories leg days are extremely hard and a 500 cal bump of only carbs is like a life saver. I will bump the t3 then 🫡

[Khalifa]

Im with kuba here – i have also done prolonged push both with myself and clients and they can be super effective.

The key is to not get to fat and make sure you monitor blood work and how you feel so you know when to back off and when to keep on pushing.

Im a fan of EQ but I also agree with Kuba if you have ran those other drugs and felt good then there isn’t a real cause to switch to it unless your wanting to control E2 better as I find it works much better than mast/primo – if not then there isn’t much of a need to switch.

Unless you simply want to try it and then go for it as you may end up being a fan – the fact it increases RBC etc for some is a huge benefit were as for others its. Huge negative

Much thanks Peter!

I honestly never tried EQ before. I usually run my E2 as high as I can tolerate it without it being a burden. I’ve ran upto 160pg at one point and the only thing I faced was excess water retention but I was already at the peak of the bulk at that time. I now am not a fan of going above 350mg test as i feel much better even at 250mg. Second reason for trying EQ is it comes at also a higher concentration here equivalent to test so the burden of injecting more is reduced. Honestly I’ve enjoyed masteron as my strength was climbing up weekly which was fun for me. But I’m also open to trying something different and new so was thinking of adding EQ instead of primo and see how the lowered E2 works for me. But I do appreciate your feedback on this as I will be planning a long push so might have some time to experiment other ideas

[Khalifa]

I have just done a full year

Started after prep 32 weeks push up from a stage lean point – 10 week diet into 14 week push up.

Stick to primo & mast you won’t get any benefits over those using eq imo – eq is literally the only drug that makes me feel horrible and I get nothing from it. If your blood work is also good why change 0 reason for it bud.

I like a low low dose of insulin from start, my reason is pretty simple. Adding insulin when your already insulin resistant doesn’t make sense but keeping some in whilst your sensitive only keeps you more sensitive in a way

Thanks Kuba!

I’ve had some issues with BG honestly whenever I’d measure in the morning it would almost be around 5.7-5.9mmol. However when i do my HBA1C it’s around 4 so something was wrong there. Also for your push, when dieting did you lower the androgen load? If yes by what margin? And when restarting the push again did you titrate back to the starting dosage or jump straight into it ?

Thanks![/quote]

Do you hydrate first before you measure it ? Sounds like you was just holding more body fat than needed nothing wrong just a bit over saturated.

I dieted on lower androgen load yes, was probably half of my push load. Then titrated up into offseason [/quote]

I wasnt hydrating prior to testing was usually a wake up, use the bathroom, weigh myself and then test[/quote]

Hydrate first as dehydration will give you false high BG [/quote]
Will definitely do! Thanks Kuba

[Khalifa]

I have just done a full year

Started after prep 32 weeks push up from a stage lean point – 10 week diet into 14 week push up.

Stick to primo & mast you won’t get any benefits over those using eq imo – eq is literally the only drug that makes me feel horrible and I get nothing from it. If your blood work is also good why change 0 reason for it bud.

I like a low low dose of insulin from start, my reason is pretty simple. Adding insulin when your already insulin resistant doesn’t make sense but keeping some in whilst your sensitive only keeps you more sensitive in a way

Thanks Kuba!

I’ve had some issues with BG honestly whenever I’d measure in the morning it would almost be around 5.7-5.9mmol. However when i do my HBA1C it’s around 4 so something was wrong there. Also for your push, when dieting did you lower the androgen load? If yes by what margin? And when restarting the push again did you titrate back to the starting dosage or jump straight into it ?

Thanks![/quote]

Do you hydrate first before you measure it ? Sounds like you was just holding more body fat than needed nothing wrong just a bit over saturated.

I dieted on lower androgen load yes, was probably half of my push load. Then titrated up into offseason [/quote]
I wasnt hydrating prior to testing was usually a wake up, use the bathroom, weigh myself and then test

[Khalifa]

I’m with Haider here. I would take things a little more steady next time around. However, now you’re at this point, I’d continue as you are, but use cardio and steps to increase the deficit before dropping more food.

I totally agree with this! Sometimes I just need reassurance haha! Might be the low cals affecting my thinking capacity but I’m not planning to drop anymore food from this point forward. But I was curious if anyone has pushed T3 and if it’s a good thing to do to push that metabolism higher. I know it may eat up some tissue but since I’ve included tren I guess the anti catabolic agent will help prevent it. I could also be wrong but here to learn