[LF]

Yes all good thanks mate!

Top man thanks Hilly, I’ll go for the MWF 👌🏼

[LF]

if you have been off PED a few years and this is were things are then this may all you are going to see bud.

I would look at the TBJP natural stack to see if this helps.

I would make sure you are getting 20% of your macros from good quality fats.

Make sure you are in a slight kcal surplus.

make sure you are not over training.

Make sure stress is low and you are doing regular cardio for heart health.

TBJP omega pro at 6g daily minimum

Retest in 4-5 months

Hi Hilly, hope you’ve been keeping well!

Thanks for that info I will take a look at the supps recommended.

Part of me wants to go down the TRT route to optimise my test levels but stay within the range, hoping this will make me more energetic and bring back the libido.

Based on my results what sort of dosage would you suggest to start on?

[LF]

Results here :

FSH- 3.9
LH- 3.6
Oestradiol – 37.3
Testosterone – 9.53
Free testosterone – 0.149
Free androgen index – 22.6
Prolactin – 216

• This reply was modified 1 year, 6 months ago by  LF.

[LF]

Defo looks like it hasnt sat right in the muscle. TBH i dont pin delts at all and never really have. It doesn’t matter how much I put in or how I always get a lump so I avoid

Yes I may try somewhere different! Quads maybe

[LF]

Looks like the oil has gone between the muscle and skin so caused a lump. Should be fine if there’s no red patch spreading. Keep a close eye on it. Avoid injecting that shoulder for a while. Use minimum 2inch pin.

Hi Ryan, thanks for your response!

Yes I’m going to avoid the shoulder and get some longer pins! Last night I managed to sleep on it so the pain has gone down a bit, just need the lump to go now!

[LF]

What length are the orange needles?

It sounds like your not going deep enough and the oil hasn’t gone into the muscle properly. The body has now initiated an inflammatory response.

It should be fine within 3-5 days, if not then I would see your Doctor but I am positive it will be ok

Hi Hilly,

Thanks for your response.

They are the 1” ones and I went right the way in with the pin.. the flue symptoms have gone, but the hard lump is there and very tender.. the jab was on Tuesday so it’s been 4days.. I read on another post to try warming it and massaging it so I’ve just tried sitting with a hot water bottle on it which is why it looks slightly red in the image.. the lump is always warm to touch but hasn’t been red..

Just horrible when I move my shoulder and I can’t lay on that side.. want to avoid a doctors visit but if I have to then I have to I guess..

[LF]

@Peter Hills @Jordan_peters @louis.moylan hey guys, I’ve searched the forums and seen a few answers from you guys on similar posts, most of which have stated that there’s no lump or heat.. mine is still painful, keeping me up as I can’t lay on it, there is a fair sized lump, which is warm to touch, but not red. How long should I leave it before heading to the docs?

The heat is inflammation and the body fighting it, as an example the reason you get a fever when your sick is your bodys way of killin bacteria/virus. again the heat is the bodys responding to something happening.
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Ok, I understand that but my point is that it’s a reasonable size hard lump, hurts when moving the shoulder or to touch.. the fever symptoms have gone now but it’s been 5 days and lump hasn’t gone or pain hasn’t gone down, is there anything I can do to assist?

[LF]

@Hilly @Jordan_peters @louis.moylan hey guys, I’ve searched the forums and seen a few answers from you guys on similar posts, most of which have stated that there’s no lump or heat.. mine is still painful, keeping me up as I can’t lay on it, there is a fair sized lump, which is warm to touch, but not red. How long should I leave it before heading to the docs?

[LF]

its your bodys reaction to you injecting a foreign substance, take a benadryl.

I’ve been running this trt for about 20 weeks and only now this has happened?

[LF]

Hey Jordan loving hearing your progress with the BJJ and CrossFit!

Now your with the ledger clinic and dropped your dose, how much are the prescriptions for the pharma test compared to something like Rohm?

[LF]

My appointment got pushed back to the 7th of next month, so then I’m on it . It won’t change much, atm I’m on 150 test only, I imagine it will stay there or move to 125mg and only diff is I get to pick up a shot of test from the pharmacy instead of rohm , and then get to travel with my shot. Aside from that, there will be zero change to what I do now , but I will update when I have swapped over to that test and whatever dose I’m on. I largely don’t care what dose it is, makes no diff to me aslong as I feel gd

Oh ok fair enough I’ll keep an eye out! Yes it will make things so much easier in that regard! I was having a look on their site the other day and think I’m going to get in touch with them too!

[LF]

Ryan it is! I am so determined to be able to do it bud, I know it will be so fucking hard, but if I can dump off enough muscle it will be just maybe doable ? . That sounds amazing !

I’m booked on for this, the august bank holiday with Owen! Would be great to see you and meet you I person Jordan ??

[LF]

Hi Jordan, just been catching up with the log, loving your progress! What is the update on the legit TRT? I haven’t seen anythin updated since I last spoke to you on here regarding ledger clinic..

[LF]

Hey buddy! Are you doing any cardio? What’s your nutrition like? I think coming onto trt from heavier cycles you do need to adjust everything else as your recovery is never going to be as good. Pay close attention to your food and training and make adjustments from there.

Hi Louis, I do jiu jitsu 3-5 times per week, but no other cardio, my nutrition has been much better since being on trt.. I haven’t done a heavy cycle in a good few years now.. I will up my cardio and reduce my calories a little so that I can drop some excess weight and I’m sure it’ll be fine..

[LF]

How much weight have you gained on TRT ?

What is your body comp like ?

Jordan’s advice is going to be the way to go for sure.

Just wondering how much of an effect the above is having.

Hi hilly,

I’m not doing bodybuilding any more just BJJ and a couple of S&C sessions per week, so body comp has stayed pretty much the same but I have gained about 2kg on the scales..

Body comp isn’t the greatest though and I am currently working on my diet etc to sort that out..

I think I just need to accept the fact it’s because I’m a fat fucker than blaming the trt, I just wanted to check as it was only since starting the trt that it’s changed.. [/quote]

The reason I asked is if body comp isn’t great and you gain a some water from the Trt then you are going to feel this both in fitness and resting HR

If natural test was on the low end then 150mg a week may of put you right at the top or a tad over and initially you are going to see some water retention from the estrogen that comes with this

When I spent a prolonged period at very low test (3-5mmol) adding in 150mg test put me at 33mmol which is 10 times were I was. This caused an increase of around 6-8lb and I defo felt this until by body adapted so its not a worry or something to be overly concerned about.

As J rightly says improve body comp and fitness and you will feel better than ever [/quote]
Yes that makes perfect sense. I was below the lowest end of the range when I started, I will getting bloods done again next week so I can reassess where I am.

I will also up my output daily to help my body comp.

Thank you hilly