[Luca]

Hey Joe, we’ll done at the weekend! How have you found working with Joe Jeffery, can you give a little background to training method/nutrition/drugs/cardio? What made you choose him as a coach ?

[Luca]

I’ve been off since November, no trt, has taken some time to adapt but slowly starting to adjust and energy levels are returning, I just reduce my volume in training. If you don’t plan to compete then I would come off completely, I doubt you want to inject for the rest of your life if you don’t have to. Maybe save the trt until 40s/50s. Il go back on to compete but only want to run small amounts of test and primo as that’s all I will need for classic. I’ve competed for 18years and been against many who had no limit of use, almost all have stopped completely due to health issues, everyone will have their D day and all will have to answer for their choices.

Did you pct? What did you notice after the drop in horomone levels such as energy/recovery/libido?

[Luca]

Have you read any of my log ? It’s taken me 12 months of feeling that way, until I have finally cracked on with what I started a year ago to get off the gear and pursuing legit health . You have to accept at some point , that health must be the priority. The only guys and girls in my opinion that can afford to be pushing past their 30s into their mid 30s is competitors making gd money. If your not, I can’t see the merit in it anymore because the risk is just too high. I think it can safely be year round legit trt with then maybe one cycle a year to look gd for a holiday or the summer ( I don’t plan on even doing that anymore as I am now done done done and will be perma trt now) .

It’s very hard to predict how long it would take to reestablish your Hpta , it may never come back at all aswell btw

Hey Jordan, I’m glued to your log and that’s had a massive impact on my thought process, it’s great to be able to follow your change in direction and hence why I’m at this crossroads myself.

I think I’m going to try come off and pct rather than go straight to trt, may as well give it a shot. I think running (underground) trt the temptation will always be there to take a lil more and a lil more and the cycle continues.

[Luca]

Hey jimmy, what lab are you using at the minute ?

[Luca]

Hey mate, what lab are you using at the minute ?

[Luca]

Your testosterone is defo under dosed.

The others might be bunk to TBH

What lab are you using at the moment hilly?

[Luca]

Hi Luca, there’s lots of info on the educational videos or if you let us know how you’re wanting to split your training we can help ? I know you’re wanting 2 legs days but what about your other days then we can advise the best way to set up these days ?

Hey! Ideally prioritising upper body, I would be happy doing each upper body part twice a week and then legs once, this would require more volume on the the singular leg day. Would there be much difference in getting full weekly volume in on one day as opposed to splitting into 2?

[Luca]

It’s pretty easy to say that using Anabolics during a rebound phase will Elicit more potential growth for sure! – and if bloods permit then i sway on the side of using it for 4/5 weeks

However you’re an anonymous user and I can’t tell if you’re female or male. For females I never use anabolics post show, and purely rely on food

Thanks max, a little more context, male 28 fairly experienced trainer and AAs user but only really use AAs in dieting phases as I’ve no real goals to be 30+ pounds up from usual weight

[Luca]

Adding to this I’m taking 1 arimadex Monday Wednesday and Friday.
How would you alter cycle?
@Peter Hills @Rizh94 @Clare

[Luca]

What kind of shoot are you wanting?

Gym shoot

[Luca]

Yes. Feel great if it’s real. Can be used alongside Clen. Start with 20mg and see how you feel. Only add 5-10mg at a time if you want increase. But 20-40 is plenty I think

Is it predominantly used to aid fat burning?

[Luca]

Need to see some pictures to be able

To advise properly from here

What do you guys think @Clare

[Luca]

Pictures would be useful here, as well as how long you’ve been dieting for, when was the last time you made a change to your plan and if you’ve had any periods of pulling back or refeeds during this time?

Calories have been reduced every 1-2 weeks as well as increases in cardio. No refeed a just straight diet. Diet has been severe and been about 12 weeks so far

[Luca]

Hey mate great to have you back, I’ve a couple of questions on your cycle if you don’t mind

1-with mast that high how is your E2 levels?

2-is it usual to have t3/t4 ratio a little higher such as 50t3/200t4? Any issues with it being what you’re currently on ?

3-with halo what effect have you noticed in the past ?

4- yohimbine, what did you titrate this up from and when do you pull it pre show?

4- does the yohimbine hold water ?

5- do you split oral dosages or all pre workout ?

[Luca]

Hey mate, what’s you’re current cycle look like for the last few weeks of this push ?

Hey bro. It’s so high for me lol.

1000 primo literally just gone to that

450 test also just been increased to that also

100 tren e [/quote]
Cheers mate! A nice amount of primo for sure haha, what would you use in this case if you didn’t have primo and would you keep dosage the same as primo ?