[Nate Otoni]

I have spoke to a well known coach whose clients have been using it with very good success he says.

Dosing twice week.
No BG issues etc

So I do intend to try it at some point

Hmm Interesting… Yea from Chase video he said he had no BG issues either. Which seems to be everyones main concern due to it being a “long acting” GH.

Guess just wait a little longer like JP said and see how things turn out

[Nate Otoni]

I’m just watching and waiting on this one buddy , I advise the same 🙂 , fuck knows what that stuff will do. All I know , is I do not trust any pharma company at all! They are evil
Fucking scum

Appreciate the reply JP, Trust me I feel the same way about any Pharma company. All they care about is money not the peoples wellbeing… Remember covid, all the bs with those Vax. Never trusted any of that and never took any Vax. Got covid like 3x since never had any real issues

[Nate Otoni]

At day 3 all your feeling is placebo to be honest.

Gonna take a 2-4 weeks for the long esters in all 3 of those to really kick in.

Also like Hilly said your gonna find not many here are fans of mixes including me, because most times then not the ratios the bottle says does not actually match whats in the bottle.

But if 10 weeks down the line your still running this cycle , progressing, feeling good and maybe get some bloods I would extend and run it for a total 12-14 weeks so you really reap the full benefits because of the long esters in the 3 compounds.

If you were running all short esters ( prop ,ace etc ) 8-10 weeks would be optimal. But will longer esters I feel 12-14 is best

[Nate Otoni]

Another question that most likely is one of those splitting hairs things that doesnt matter much but… With the GH and slin timing does it matter ? I have read somewhere in past its not a good idea to pin slin and Gh at the same exact time. Then some say you do wanna do them both at the same time. Some say to wait 30 mins after GH then pin slin or the other way around.

Today was first run at Lantus and Log

10iu Lantus upon wake

5iu log + 3 iu gh + Inj l carn all 15 mins after pre meal ( all separate shots )

+ another 5iu log 15 mins after post meal

Will be doing the other 7iu GH pre bed

Everything was smooth

this looks totally fine to me – I see no issue with running GH and slin at the same time – at one point it was the go to method.

People get very technical and can find scientific reasoning for running together or running apart but IMHO I dont see an issue either way[/quote] Good to know , thank you !

[Nate Otoni]

Also don’t pin your Gh before checking your bg

Move all your Gh pre bed – much better for BG control from what I’ve seen personally

Lantus morning with m1

Humalog I would only run pre to begin with if you are lean no need post workout
Yet as you will already have better uptake post training without slin

No , I check my BG first thing soon as I wake before hydrating or GH. GH as been going in around 45-1hr pre (3iu) then (7iu) pre bed

[Nate Otoni]

Another question that most likely is one of those splitting hairs things that doesnt matter much but… With the GH and slin timing does it matter ? I have read somewhere in past its not a good idea to pin slin and Gh at the same exact time. Then some say you do wanna do them both at the same time. Some say to wait 30 mins after GH then pin slin or the other way around.

Today was first run at Lantus and Log

10iu Lantus upon wake

5iu log + 3 iu gh + Inj l carn all 15 mins after pre meal ( all separate shots )

+ another 5iu log 15 mins after post meal

Will be doing the other 7iu GH pre bed

Everything was smooth

[Nate Otoni]

Echo what Jordan said above for sure.

I wouldn’t be overly worrying about the BG as it will be the higher dose of GH you are taking directly driving this up however I do agree with J and think lantus would be a good move here starting at 10iu meal 1 with potentially some fast pre and post as you have laid out

sounds good thank you Hilly

[Nate Otoni]

Sounds ideal mate , and we are very much here to help , if you get stuck , check back in with us

thanks again JP

[Nate Otoni]

Everything you have said cycle wise looks awesome and well thought out , I like it when I read that someone has worked out what feels good and doesn’t

Imo I think some insulin would be great , low dose Lantus and then some fast stuff at the workout perimeter

Must be my birthday…. First I get Kuba and Sas responding to my post and now I get JP responding and even giving me a thumbs up on my cycle layout haha… Awesome stuff

Appreciate all the replies and I will start with 10iu lantus and 5iu humalog with pre meal and 5iu with post meal and go from there

[Nate Otoni]

Im a low responder for sure. Body type and genetics is to be skinny skinny very hard for me to put on size ,hard to stay full and keep full even on cycle and on high carbs (last push got up to 1000g carbs on high days 3x week) got up to 230lbs…. But higher GH dose is legit only thing that has for first time kept me looking full and round loving that from it so far haha would hate to drop it

[Nate Otoni]

I’d try A- adding fasted cardio 20-30 minutes

B) pull the gh for the weekend and see if tuis helps bring bg down.

Your food and muscle isn’t high enough to warrant insulin in my opinion. So my guess is that gh dose, especially being pharma, is just too high for where your at.

Im sorry I forgot to mention

I workout first thing the AM only time I can.

I wake up at 3:30AM down 1 liter of water with electrolytes.

4am pre workout meal ( 100g cor 40g banana ) + another 1 liter of water

5am at gym.

I do post workout HIT 5x a week.

6min fast 6min slow 12min total

[Nate Otoni]

How is your body composition ?

Was on a cut to get ready for this big push got down to 11% BF at 201lbs that ended mid July.

Held at maintaince diet for 6 weeks hovering around 203-205lbs…

Started this push sept 1st at 203lbs currently at 207lbs bf still very low if not the same just tad more water

[Nate Otoni]

Honestly its one of those things you need to find out for your self. I have friends who feel amazing on npp/deca but tren destroys them. For me NPP/ DECA legit makes not even want to get out of bed. I have tried NPP 3 times. low dose and high doses. Even at 150mg a week by week 6 it starts. I had no motivation to lift. Music didnt sound good world was just bleh. Thats with E2 in check. With Tren I legit can run it for 12 weeks ( ace ) at 200-300mg and yes you feel a little down sometimes but nothing like NPP/DECA. With tren i still feel motivated to lift. Be social with people . Friendly at gym and outside the gym. Doesnt affect my sleep and makes me hungrier. Only get night sweats.

Which sucks because the strength and fullness from NPP/DECA is amazing compared to tren.

So give both a run and see what works for you.

Also you you said you have low sex drive in your current 400 test and 400 mast.

Get some bloods and check. Could also be low E2. Maybe your a low aromatizer like me.

If I run 1:1 ratio of test mast or test primo my E2 bottoms out and I get low sex drive and all that.

Personally need 2:1 ratio of test and mast or primo

[Nate Otoni]

As bad as it sounds I been doing daily pins for the past 2 years

I prep and pre load 7 syringes every Sunday for the next 7 days

Never had an issue not saying its the right thing to do just sharing my experience.

[Nate Otoni]

Consider yourself lucky bro and dont overthink it lol

Me on 250mg test week with legit pharma tested Test E

My test only comes back around 1300 to 1500 tops!