[Norway92]

Thyroid looks fine

I would be checking hormone markers and kidney markers

Doctor decided to be a idiot and refusing to give me bloods for hormone panel. I must go private again to get them will do once i can.
I did change my cycle from 300 test, 400 primo, 100 tren 1 week ago to 250 test, 600 primo when this started happening.
About 6 weeks on cycle, i cruised on 200 test 100 primo before that until my lipids were good to blast.

Kidneys are
eGFR 90
S-creatinine 77 ref is 60-105
S-urinstoff 4,7 ref is 3.5-8.1
Using 10 iu lantus in morning.
Had last show 16 september. Gained about 15-17kg since then. Even the lower abs can be seen still. dont know how its even possible after being back to my max weight where i started my prep for that show already, had no abs at all just big fat belly lol.
Eating 4000 cals on training days and off days 3600. Only have one cheatmeal on saturdays.
Fasted blood sugar is 4,6 and 45min after breakfast is 5.9.
My lifts are progressing every workout and im feeling really good except for the horrible edema in my legs when wearing socks.
Walking about 15000-20000 steps daily, split is
Pull, push, off legs, arms, off, pull, push, off, legs off.

[Norway92]

Holding water is likely coming from your gh so I would suggest pulling that out

I tried, for over a week but didnt help

[Norway92]

Diuretics from doc did not help at all. Bloods showed high estrogen but im using tren so dont know if its correct reading. I did a desperate attempt, because this was starting to get real annoying as it was painful wearing socks and couldnt wear socks and work shoes for full day at work. Sunday night i took half arimidex, monday morning already 50-60% improvement while wearing socks. Took another half arimidex monday night, now my ankles/calves completely normal and can wear two pair of socks and work shoes with no issues😂 im adjusting my cycle from 300 test, 400 prim 100 tren to 250 test, 500 prim, 100 tren, and will add back gh. Hopefully this adjustment is enough to control the estrogen

[Norway92]

Pfizer gh does this to me. I’d pull that first bud. See what happens

Decided to pull it out and see if it helps. Then add gh back in when its sorted, and start at 3 iu in morning instead of 4 iu at night, which have worked in the past, then see if i can up the dosage after some weeks if it goes fine!

[Norway92]

Have you ever used HGH before? If so have you ever experienced edema before? If estro is high is possible that you aromatise easily

Yes i used 3 iu everyday for 5 months during my prep, had no issues then, actually same package of gh im using now. But now i do 4 iu at night instead of 3 iu at morning. No it didnt give me any edema until now as i intruduced gh to my cycle a again at 4iu at night.

[Norway92]

I agree with Hilly. It’s likely the GH. Remove it and see if it goes away, then you’ll know for sure. If it does, then wait until it completely subsides, then try a lower dose next time. If it doesn’t, get a full bloodwork panel done and see if there’s something else going on.

Will try, thank you!

[Norway92]

I would pull the GH out – see if it goes away and if so you no its the GH then re introduce at 2iu and asses.

if it doesnt go away then check your bloods to see were E2 is

How long will it take before it sorts itself out from eventually taking gh out? Yes i used 3 iu in morning from same batch during my prep, had no issues then really. Doc gave me some diuretics that i was going to for 3 weeks until i see him again. Bloods are drawn waiting for results. My blood pressure was higher than usual too, the cuff on the docs monitor was so small so i dont know if its 100% accurate though. Im also very sleepy snd can sleep all day and night..

[Norway92]

I’m the same as kuba. 100mg I’ve been on for this whole off season push. Felt no issues

Using tren a or tren e? Thank you

[Norway92]

Doesn’t do anything to lipids at this dose, devil is in the dosage not the drug.

I have ran 100 for 24 weeks and 0 issues with bloods they are the same as running just primo with test.

Awesome than you, Kuba!

[Norway92]

At that dose it shouldn’t hurt much really

So i can use tren a at 100mg a week safely to my test, primo cycle bulk for a period of 16-20 weeks? Thank you for help everyone!

[Norway92]

Seems like i still have the issues unfortunately. I have results from bloods, and they seem good except for low thyroid values so they are probally not recovered yet after 4 weeks stopping t4 and t3, they were low prior to using t4 and t3 in contest prep. So thinking of seeing if my doc will prescribe me meds else i have loads of t4 and t3 lying around too. Iron is also on the lower end.

I would speak to your Doctor. I think it may well be the low Iron levels causing the symptoms you’ve described.

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He will probally not give me iron infusion so guess it will be months of iron tablets then? What do you think

[Norway92]

Seems like i still have the issues unfortunately. I have results from bloods, and they seem good except for low thyroid values so they are probally not recovered yet after 4 weeks stopping t4 and t3, they were low prior to using t4 and t3 in contest prep. So thinking of seeing if my doc will prescribe me meds else i have loads of t4 and t3 lying around too. Iron is also on the lower end.

[Norway92]

If it’s causing cramps lower the dose, it shouldn’t but if it does. Lower it, see if it’s actually the issue

Already feeling way better after dropping the last dosage last night. Weird.. i read up on side effects that its actually a quite strong statin and read about people having same issues. Lets hope i get even better. Been bit worried of these symptoms lately, could have been something very serious, so quite happy as im like 90% better today already.

[Norway92]

Is everything else in place ? Electrolyte balance ? Sodium use? Water in take? Are you taking anything else like clen?

I havent taken clen in about 4-5 weeks since my last show was finish. Did take blood test to check these things waiting for result. Today im already feeling way better after not taking red yeast rice last night. Hopefully it gets better or im just having a better day lol. Can still feel little aches in legs and arms but its almost not noticeable today, it was quite bad the last days. And wasnt dizzy when waking up from bed today and no headache. All these symptoms started 1 week after i draw blood and started with red yeast rice.

[Norway92]

I wouldn’t do it yourself. Maybe get a friend who’s a nurse/ dr if the cost is an issue.

Yes my girlfriend is a nurse she does it for me😊