[Peter]

Mast in many acts more like a serm in their blood work , so e2 appears high without sides ( what your experiencing now ) , this is probably more anabolic, and potentially healthier – as crushing e2 isn’t wise

The acne situation will likely be dealt with better with primo as it lowers e2 in blood work more so like an a.I ( eq same ) , so best bet is swap to primo , give it 6 weeks,
Re run bloods – see how your acne is as a result and then decide accordingly there after if you use mast or primo as your means to mitigating e2 sides as a whole

Awesome, thanks for that mate, really appreciate the explanation.

I had avoided primo up to now purely because it’s 100mg/ml and means stabbing a lot of oil, but looks like I’ll just have to bite the bullet. If you dont mind mate – you mentioned EQ being the same, would that be a potential option too or did you purposefully recommend primo over EQ?

[Peter]

Did you run mast with your first cycle or an a.i?

Just to give a timeline mate, if it helps at all;

First cycle – 14 weeks of 500mg week test enth, with aromasin every other day from mid cycle to end, also 2 weeks of dianabol to kick start

TRT – 14 weeks trying to find a dose that kept me in natural range but struggled with e2, ended up being 3x a week microdose shooting for 75mg/week overall, but was still running a little above “normal” range

Second cycle – as above, 12 weeks in at 250mg test and 400mg mast per week

[Peter]

Did you run mast with your first cycle or an a.i?

I ran an AI with my first cycle (aromasin), and was going to run it at lower dose with TRT, but was advised to use daily microdosing to control e2 while on TRT and drop the AI, and use mast to control e2 on cycle instead.

[Peter]

Yes i see no issues in this – 20-30mg would be sufficient

Awesome 😄 thanks again!

[Peter]

Thanks for the replies here everyone, massively helpful and much appreciated.

Pete, thank you for the heads up about driving e2 too low, will definitely keep an eye on that. I’ll likely do a basic finger prick blood test just for testosterone & estrogen at about 3 weeks in to get an early warning if its heading that way.

[Peter]

Defo dont use an AI – We want a set up that requires no AI use during TRT and cycles if possible

Options would be.

adjust dosing schedule – so split the dose 2/3 times a week or even micro dose daily.

Possibly use a little masteron alongside the test for TRT.

However which route to go is impossible to advise on until we see bloods

Results in mate, screenshot attached but in case it doesn’t show properly-

FSH <0.3iu/l

LH <0.3iu/l

Oestradiol 384pmol/l

Test 43.4nmol/l

Free Test Calc 1.24nmol/l

Free Androgen Index 166.5%

Prolactin 563miu/l[/quote]

Morning mate, thanks for the comprehensive answer there. With the blood results in I was thinking reduce the dose from 125mg/week to 100mg/week to get test within normal range. Following your advice here I’ll get some insulin pins and do a bit of reading on subq injections and start to microdose daily subq. One question here if you don’t mind – if I was planning on taking 0.4ml / week intramuscular, does that equate to the same if I go subq or should I alter the dose due to different dispersal/absorbtion? i.e I can go 0.06ml 7x /week = 0.42ml so roughly the same dose OR go, say, 0.1ml 7x /week for 0.7ml total if subq doesn’t absorb as well?

I’ll try to source some proviron to pull my levels into line until the microdosing sorts things out.

Also, just on the mention of bodyfat possibly being the cause of the aromatisation – my bodyfat is not crazy high (about 14% and coming down weekly, just finished a massing phase and started a cut).

Thanks again, Peter.

[Peter]

Defo dont use an AI – We want a set up that requires no AI use during TRT and cycles if possible

Options would be.

adjust dosing schedule – so split the dose 2/3 times a week or even micro dose daily.
Possibly use a little masteron alongside the test for TRT.

However which route to go is impossible to advise on until we see bloods

Results in mate, screenshot attached but in case it doesn’t show properly-

FSH <0.3iu/l

LH <0.3iu/l

Oestradiol 384pmol/l

Test 43.4nmol/l

Free Test Calc 1.24nmol/l

Free Androgen Index 166.5%

Prolactin 563miu/l

[Peter]

Defo dont use an AI – We want a set up that requires no AI use during TRT and cycles if possible

Options would be.

adjust dosing schedule – so split the dose 2/3 times a week or even micro dose daily.
Possibly use a little masteron alongside the test for TRT.

However which route to go is impossible to advise on until we see bloods

Awesome thanks for this mate, hadn’t even considered jab frequency, will split that down this week going forward. With a bit of luck I’ll have the bloods back tomorrow and I’ll post them straight up, worst case scenario I get them back Monday but hopefully not, estrogen build up scares the shit out of me and I’d rather get it dealt with ASAP.

Thanks again, Peter.

[Peter]

Proviron* not primo haha

[Peter]

Awesome, thanks for this, will give that a go. If I did start experiencing estrogen related sides how long would you recommend running the primo please mate? Not something I’ve used before, always went down the route of arimidex while on-cycle and nolva for PCT (wont need PCT on this as I’ll be dropping back down to TRT dose post-cycle)

[Peter]

drop your insta and i’ll message you a supplier

Thanks mate, appreciate that – peterlew089

[Peter]

No worries mate, thanks for the response, I had guessed it might be a bit of a no-go discussing supply in an open forum but thought worth a shot in case there was a legit website that ships here or something along those lines. No worries though, thanks again 😄