[Phillza1]

I PCT’ed following Dr Dean’s protocol of 5 weeks then bloods then SERM treatment (had HCG on hand but did not need it looking at bloods).

Like I say, likely a combination of low calories (no energy) and androgen use. I literally had very little energy left to mentally do much in the evening (as I trained AM & work construction till 5/6pm). When it come to the evening, I was beat to shit and when the missus was climbing all over me I could barely keep my eyes open let alone anything else haha. Sure we’ve all been there. Mentally I wanted to but physically couldn’t
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Ah yeah, makes complete sense. Body just exhausted, run down, fatigued – understandable.

How was recovery/how long before you were back to normal? Feeling normal I should say – energy, libido etc

[Phillza1]

This is why everyone comes to you Dean, you have a range of answers when it comes to questions. I’ve probably suffered from all 3 at some point if I’m honest.

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I assume you’ve bounced back since suffering from all 3?[/quote]

Yeah Phil, I’m ok now. Sometimes psych myself out when it comes to it haha. But generally all good. I do think it was a combination of androgens and calorie restriction (ie no energy) when I really saw myself unable to perform. Not even MT2 could help then (trust me, I tried with some higher dosages and I still struggled)
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So what you end up doing? Just let time do it’s thing or just went to trt? Or permanently come off everything?

[Phillza1]

This is why everyone comes to you Dean, you have a range of answers when it comes to questions. I’ve probably suffered from all 3 at some point if I’m honest.
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I assume you’ve bounced back since suffering from all 3?

[Phillza1]

It is yeah, but i think it was originally developed for ED, which it 100% works for haha. I find it better than Viagra/Cialis in my opinion. Plus, its taken my skin from burning under sunlight to going a decent colour.

Yeah, anxiety of it happening can also be a major factor in your ability to get it up.
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Is it injectable or pills? – how often do you have to take it

[Phillza1]

At times yeah, but it may be caused by Anxiety from not being able to perform. Which is a vicious circle. I suffered worst towards the back and of a long Deca cycle, which is common (Deca Dick). It upset my OH which led me to have anxiety about it, ultimately making it worse. Its not so much of an issue now, although it does play on my mind.
Melanotan 2 helps with my libido massively though
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Injectable or pills? yeah I do recall not being able to get it up one night with a woman and it was emabarrasing and ever since I get flash backs to it or my heart starts racing when it’s time for sex. Who knows what it could be

[Phillza1]

I can honestly say that my libido is lower than it used to be. Whether thats due to being a few years older, AAS use or a combination of the two, I can’t say. But its definitely calmed me down in that department
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But are you having wood issues along with it? If not then I’d say it’s with age and aas use possibly

[Phillza1]

To be fair no one said anything about ASIH when I first started AAS, did research on my own and highest dose I ever did was first cycle of 500mg Test E a week since then Test E cycles never go past 300mg, this was also back in the day when pct was preached by everyone of 2 weeks after last pin crap.

[Phillza1]

No……not everyone will develop ASIH, the same way not everyone will experience fertility loss from AAS use.
This is a very REAL side effect and risk to AAS use akin to the the use of neurotropic compounds like MDMA and their desensitizing effects on neurochemistry post use.
For some, androgens will have devastating desensitizing effects within the brain.
Others won’t ever achieve this desensitization.
Akin to this, is suspected Porn Induced Sexual Dysfunction and its negative effects on neurobiology and neurotransmitter sensitivty.
Is Internet Pornography Causing Sexual Dysfunctions? A Review with Clinical Reports
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/
The CNS is a delicate system – you blast with high dose androgens, then you can expect to have to suffer the consequences if you’re unfortunate to develop ASIH.
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So I assume I’ll never have a sex drive again? Even on hrt?

[Phillza1]

Illazilla wrote:

I already answered above….

And…..Dont use AAS in first place

not sure if im missing something here but are you saying that if youve used high androgens, your body has become accustomed to high androgens and negatively effected cns … and there is no way it can be fixed, so a majority of top tier bodybuilders/gym rats who thrash high androgens will never get their libido back ever again ? labido is permanently screwed – although viagra and cialis can still make hard, the desire is not there (no pun intended) ??

My thoughts exactly

If I recall lowering dose to a physiological dose or having a long time off to let cns down regulate (something along those lines) but I could be wrong. Dr Dean would be best to answer that[/quote]

lol yeh the ‘potential’ resensitization is what scares me haha sounds like it could be permanent?[/quote]
I guess everyone has ASIH then, everyone I know/heard run ridiculous dosage amounts. I hope it’s not permanent – that would make any guy kill themselves having no sex drive ever again

[Phillza1]

I already answered above….

And…..Dont use AAS in first place

not sure if im missing something here but are you saying that if youve used high androgens, your body has become accustomed to high androgens and negatively effected cns … and there is no way it can be fixed, so a majority of top tier bodybuilders/gym rats who thrash high androgens will never get their libido back ever again ? labido is permanently screwed – although viagra and cialis can still make hard, the desire is not there (no pun intended) ?? [/quote]
My thoughts exactly

If I recall lowering dose to a physiological dose or having a long time off to let cns down regulate (something along those lines) but I could be wrong. Dr Dean would be best to answer that

[Phillza1]

If test Is 250mg and there is 100iu in a 1ml insulin pin.

Then 10iu equals 25mg.

Very simple
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So if I was using 100mg a week of test e – id use 40iu a week? Just wanting to make sure

[Phillza1]

Hmm…those numbers look ok to me, though the overall dose is low to achieve them. Prolactin maybe? @drdeanstmart

Checked prolactin several times before and never was an issue so I doubt it is now, will check again in a few weeks [/quote]
Did your libido return?

[Phillza1]

There is no action or way to resolve if CNS is literally fcked.

Time off and allowing potential resentisation to occur in CNS or the slippery slope of going back to a high level of androgens to correct the ASIH…..
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Hi Dean when you say time off do you mean HPTA restart and off testosterone or lowering it to a physiological dosage/hrt?

[Phillza1]

I have severe milk issues and cant use any form of whey at all.

I find beef isolate and redcon MRE lite the best I just cant get hold of this at all.

I have used a lot of beef isolates and found bulk powders to be identical to yamamoto interterms of mix ability, taste, froth etc etc so I just use bulk powders in general as its cheaper.

I do also like the sci tec beef hydrolysed and use this when I fancy something that tastes a little better.

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Try Future Whey from Bulk Nutrients. [/quote]

Why ?
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Lactose free, gluten free – amino acid whey protein. Get no bloat, it’s what I use

[Phillza1]

I have severe milk issues and cant use any form of whey at all.

I find beef isolate and redcon MRE lite the best I just cant get hold of this at all.

I have used a lot of beef isolates and found bulk powders to be identical to yamamoto interterms of mix ability, taste, froth etc etc so I just use bulk powders in general as its cheaper.

I do also like the sci tec beef hydrolysed and use this when I fancy something that tastes a little better.
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http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.

Try Future Whey from Bulk Nutrients.