[primate1984]

hi kuba , I’m after crashing or close to crashing  my estrogen.   my estro levels were at 20 after getn bloods done while cruising 4 weeks before start of my blast.    so I took 750 test e , 600 deca with 25mg mon wed fri of aromasin . after 2 weeks my joints were blown off me cracking all the time, lost ton of  strength , lost libido , lost appetite, cudbt sleep for a week and when I did I’d  wake up every night with pains in my muscle and bones in forearms, falling asleep multiple times a day and itchy scalp.  I dropped aromasin for 7 days and was feeling better but made the mistake of starting aromasin at 12.5 mon wed fri again and it was too soon and same thing has happened just lesser degree.  is there anything I can do to help bring back libido and pump / drive to train ?   on another forum 2 people prescribed trt by a doc said there docs crashed there estro to single digits  with bloodwork to prove , it took one 4 weeks and the other 7 weeks to regain libido have I ruined my cycle as I’ve 8 more weeks to go ?   also upon looking back at last 2 blood tests I realised it was 12.5 arom mon wed fri i had been using for 750 test . not 25mg and the 12.5 was still leaving my estro  too low at 17 and 18 both times after testing after 6 weeks.  should I start at 6.25mg per 750 test next blast and go from there ?  I must be extra sensitive or not aromatise much

Check your test how high is your test with estro so low ? Sounds like your test may be bunk.

If your using 12.5 x3 a week use it x2 a week instead buddy that’s will work my man!

Next time maybe try 0 ai for a while then once estro creeps up a touch use bare minimum so 12.5 x2 or every 5 days

I would check test too and maybe take a rest.

Will take around 10 days to regain it and up the test also 200 mg test prop that’s what we did when my estro dropped

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hi kuba , since this last post I continued on 750 test and the deca for 3 weeks with zero ai to help with aromatisation but didnt seem to be working so I dropped the deca completely and brought test down to 250 a week with the last 4 weeks. I could feel estrogen rising the past few weeks as i was getn emotional and even feeling like crying at times but my joints have still been destroyed since december . so got full blood done last wk to make sure test was legit . came back at 156 nmlol at 250mg a week so it legit. but to my disbelief my estrogen is at 306 pnmol. how cud it rise so fast on 250 ??? you cud argue I didnt crash my estrogen but I was literally bed bound for a week from it I must have been at least single digits. prolactin also hgh at 337 mul after I took 0.5 of pharma caber the last 2.5 weeks before dropping incase I tanked it. not sure where to go from here because joints still fucked I dunno am I able for much ai at all because causes such havoc on my joints I cant even lift properly after 8 weeks and have zero drive or want to train because of it. I’ll restart caber again today as I’ve had erectile disfunction with 8 weeks aswel . what’s your thoughts ?

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jordan I was reading back over previous multiple posts about hemoglobin, we need it higher than average for performance but yet not to get out of hand. for someone solely in offseason is there a number youd put on it for the average bodybuilder not to let themselves go above ? or wud it be p
erson specific

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if someone has high estrogen and high prolactin , will an ai also reduce the prolactin as the estrogen comes down ? or does an ai only act as a preventive of prolactin rising by keeping estrogen in check in the first place ?

[primate1984]

Sorry for the late reply mate. After the 45pmol estrogen reading, I switched my test E to Prop to try and spike my estrogen (did 600mg prop per week for a few weeks) and my estrogen went up to 90pmol. Still though my sex drive seemed low. My free Test was 3.4, SHGB was 15.9, Prolactin was 114. Which are all in range according to medichecks except for Free test which is high, but that should give me a high sex drive…

I’m currently on a cruise now, so I’m giving it a couple more weeks before I get bloods again, but I can’t put my finger on what’s wrong even with bloodwork? I’m hoping its just taking a lot longer to recovering from suppressing my estrogen for nearly a year with unneeded AI’s, but I really don’t know. I can still get erections if I really try etc, but no morning wood/random urges, even whilst on a blast. I usually cycle on/off instead of cruising, but I need to get myself working again properly and not come just come off

did you get it sorted in the end ?

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did u get bloodwork back yet to post up ?

[primate1984]

jordan since your goin to be giving the high nandrolone only blast a go again , I’m presuming that’s because you got on so well with it last time in relation to your bloodwork , therefor actually making it a smart choice despite it seeming high on paper , or are there other reasons also ?

[primate1984]

mine was at 97 with 250 test c.

97 what bro ? what measurement?

[primate1984]

hi kuba , I’m after crashing or close to crashing  my estrogen.   my estro levels were at 20 after getn bloods done while cruising 4 weeks before start of my blast.    so I took 750 test e , 600 deca with 25mg mon wed fri of aromasin . after 2 weeks my joints were blown off me cracking all the time, lost ton of  strength , lost libido , lost appetite, cudbt sleep for a week and when I did I’d  wake up every night with pains in my muscle and bones in forearms, falling asleep multiple times a day and itchy scalp.  I dropped aromasin for 7 days and was feeling better but made the mistake of starting aromasin at 12.5 mon wed fri again and it was too soon and same thing has happened just lesser degree.  is there anything I can do to help bring back libido and pump / drive to train ?   on another forum 2 people prescribed trt by a doc said there docs crashed there estro to single digits  with bloodwork to prove , it took one 4 weeks and the other 7 weeks to regain libido have I ruined my cycle as I’ve 8 more weeks to go ?   also upon looking back at last 2 blood tests I realised it was 12.5 arom mon wed fri i had been using for 750 test . not 25mg and the 12.5 was still leaving my estro  too low at 17 and 18 both times after testing after 6 weeks.  should I start at 6.25mg per 750 test next blast and go from there ?  I must be extra sensitive or not aromatise much

Check your test how high is your test with estro so low ? Sounds like your test may be bunk.

If your using 12.5 x3 a week use it x2 a week instead buddy that’s will work my man!

Next time maybe try 0 ai for a while then once estro creeps up a touch use bare minimum so 12.5 x2 or every 5 days

I would check test too and maybe take a rest.

Will take around 10 days to regain it and up the test also 200 mg test prop that’s what we did when my estro dropped

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I didn’t get full bloods this time just a few things checked at local gp. It did cross my mind about the test but it’s the same batch of bayer schering testoviron I’ve been using all year on prior blasts and just one shot when crusing so its got to be gud. the last full bloods that showed full range of testosterone levels was last may I think and was 420 nmoll , is there a general ratio level per 250 test ? I think I was crusing then cant remember for sure

[primate1984]

hi kuba , I’m after crashing or close to crashing my estrogen. my estro levels were at 20 after getn bloods done while cruising 4 weeks before start of my blast. so I took 750 test e , 600 deca with 25mg mon wed fri of aromasin . after 2 weeks my joints were blown off me cracking all the time, lost ton of strength , lost libido , lost appetite, cudbt sleep for a week and when I did I’d wake up every night with pains in my muscle and bones in forearms, falling asleep multiple times a day and itchy scalp. I dropped aromasin for 7 days and was feeling better but made the mistake of starting aromasin at 12.5 mon wed fri again and it was too soon and same thing has happened just lesser degree. is there anything I can do to help bring back libido and pump / drive to train ? on another forum 2 people prescribed trt by a doc said there docs crashed there estro to single digits with bloodwork to prove , it took one 4 weeks and the other 7 weeks to regain libido have I ruined my cycle as I’ve 8 more weeks to go ? also upon looking back at last 2 blood tests I realised it was 12.5 arom mon wed fri i had been using for 750 test . not 25mg and the 12.5 was still leaving my estro too low at 17 and 18 both times after testing after 6 weeks. should I start at 6.25mg per 750 test next blast and go from there ? I must be extra sensitive or not aromatise much

[primate1984]

was your Bayer schering test e that you stopped running , in clear amps or brown amps ?

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what’s your carb intake on non training days now?  

Ahh mate I really don’t know, I’ve worked out my TD about month ago and with granola, extra squares bars and a cookie added since then it’s probs closer to 700g than 650g now, rest day maybe 500g[/quote]
I was guessing close to that myself , why so high carb on non training days? normal wud be low carb to help with insulin sensitive

[primate1984]

what’s your carb intake on non training days now?

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when getn full bloods done does it matter if I get them done fasted or not anymore ?
also on not sure is it here or elsewhere I’ve seen a link or article ? on the latest info regarding ldl cholesterol as regards small and big particles / if your triglycerides are in range then your ldl particles should be big meaning your at lower risk

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Scott – Pyrroloquinoline quinone

Juan – Allicin is anti-viral

Primate – lower the dose, watch the IG highlight on test flu. Its an immunological response due to high androgen level pissing off white blood cells.

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I’ll watch that as soon as I’m back from work dean thanks but as regards the dose if it’s from high androgen level why do I get it after 2shots = 500 sust per week but no flu after 4 shots =1000 test.e. per week when both drive androgen levels?

[primate1984]

hi dean , I’m curious is there anything to stop or counteract the effects of sust flu? 2 shots or more of organon sust and it literally knocks the life out of me for a couple of weeks