[primate1984]

after dropping to 250 test 4weeks ago and brought in 100mast e and getn repeat bloods done last week my estrogen dropped from 399 to 200 , so I added 0.5 arimidex eod this week also because sex drive and erection still not functioning right. my prolactin was also high so dropped deca 5 wks back and took 0.5 caber twice a week that week. also took another 0.5 twice a week this week. do I need a few more wks for things to fall in place as is or what do you think ? maybe it’s just the caber I need to continue for longer

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Any patented version, and 1 am plus 1 pm, is indeed 2 , nice maths ???? haha

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hahahaha sorry my heads gone after night shifts ! lol

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Keep Estro at the high end of normal or just over

Yes krill raises hdl more so , 1g am and pm

I use 10,000iu d3 a day. Whoever says then don’t work is a fool

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thanks Jordan, what brand of krill oil is it you use ? 2g a day is it ?

[primate1984]

Blood work guys

So this was on the 400mg npp per day !

So it’s absolutely official that 2.8g nandrolone per week, is less detrimental than 2.8g of test would be! As hematocrit would be crazy , instead of just above range which then is actually perfect for performance, just using ip6 to control it

Hdl really isn’t too bad , I think at 2.8g test , would need letro to control Estro , which would wipe it out totally

So there is no doubts to me now what is the more effective offseason drug.

So 400/day I don’t like, as I said 300 i really did like.

I want to lower the npp to 250 , and bring in 150 primo , just to make it worth it, less than 1g won’t do much, and even then it may not bring much. But I’m confident the combo will be a nice look

I will take my bergamot and krill even higher again and see if can bring back up my hdl to 0.4 , from there I think I can get it back to 0.8 – 1 in a cruise period no probs , and then have everything in range .

No insulin at all now , I think will have to save the long insulin for after the next mini cut ????

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as regards your bloods is there an estrogen number you feel is the upper limit for you or others not to go above when doin an offseason blast ? is there a diff between fish oil and krill ? and how much krill daily do you recommend? is that 99 you vit d is at ? is it solely vit d tablets u take for that daily ? I’ve seen other bodybuilders say the tablets dont work at all

[primate1984]

Hi mate

Drop Adex and use aromasin 25 mg Monday Thursday

Add 0.5 mg caber twice per week for prolactin

Add in krill oil 1000mg primrose oil and citrus bergamot for HDL to see improvment cruise for another couple of weeks

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is there much diff between krill oil and fish oils for health /hdl benefits ? hadn’t heard of krill oil before

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hi dean every time I lower my dose to 200-250 a week for cruising I get severe hay fever which kills me I mean runs my holidays and even work,its almost like test flu in reverse , I cant go near any tress or flowers etc or I sneeze non stop and eyes like a water fountain non stop. got so bad last summer I quit my cruise and upped my test and I was ok, happening again now on cruise , any ideas ?

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jp you mentioned previously you blood let often is that at home yourself? are you letting more often than every 12 wks ? as I’ve let a pint then 12 wks later my hemo/rbc are slightly higher than 12 wks ago , now I was blasting for 20 wks total , now in a cruise, did i blast too long ? didn’t come back too high , it was18.1 then to 18.5 I think

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@kuba1000hotmail-co-uk-cielen kuba how does everyone keep there joints healthy while running ai’s , even without lifting weights there sore and after a length of time end up dropping them cause cant lift weights at all due to them which leads to my estrogen rocketing and then goin back to them

Have you had blood work done to check ? I have absolutely 0 joint issues unless my oestrogen drops down low low. Would be worth running bloods to see where things are. Curcumin and boswellia helps a ton

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yes bloods done twice in last 5 months no matter what I run high or low doses my knees and elbows are dry and sore when using arimidex at low dosage like 0.5 3 times a wk. il try aromasin soon and try curcumin

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@kuba1000hotmail-co-uk-cielen kuba how does everyone keep there joints healthy while running ai’s , even without lifting weights there sore and after a length of time end up dropping them cause cant lift weights at all due to them which leads to my estrogen rocketing and then goin back to them

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hi Matt,  just comparing your last blood results with my own, I thought my estrogen was high at 399 but yours is 803 , my Dick is broke with months lol so I’m presuming your the same ?  just wondering how come you’ve let it get so high and how long you’ll be cruising for when the time comes to get thing in check?

That would have been the tren buddy showing up as oestrogen on the blood test. My dicks fine thanks hahaha

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Haha fair enough , is there any ratio to how out of whack tren put it or cud it just be any number sky high ?

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hi Matt, just comparing your last blood results with my own, I thought my estrogen was high at 399 but yours is 803 , my Dick is broke with months lol so I’m presuming your the same ? just wondering how come you’ve let it get so high and how long you’ll be cruising for when the time comes to get thing in check?

[primate1984]

Within 3 weeks I rechecked bloods.
Before I would have used very low dose aromasin to control aromatase in off season but this is also a viable strategy.
But as Ive said there needs to be a fine balance of E2 for cardiac health and HDL synthesis
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hi again dean , I just got bloods back and my estrogen is ridiculously high at 399pmol/l. it was very high back at xmas and after using aromasin I’d mistakenly thought I’d crashed my estrogen after 3 weeks of usage which I see now I hadn’t and blasted without an ai then. what dosage do you recommend to take daily to get back in range of aromasin/arimidex ? how long do you think it will take ? I’ve dropped to trt dose also for cruise.

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@kuba1000hotmail-co-uk-cielen what’s your estrogen level at ? since you using mast and aromasin , shudnt 1000mg of primo be crushing your estrogen ?

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@drdeanstmart how long did it take 125mg mast e a wk to drop you estrogen to 130 ? my estrogen was 243 in December and I still haven’t got things right as I still have erection problems I either over or under did the aromasin then tried mast e currently but getn bloods this wk to check again where I’m at and finally sort it

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Its an artefact of EPO stimulation in the kidneys from testosterone; of which you can’t stop other than by stopping the compound completely.

Keeping iron down will help a touch but nothing of significance.

Unfortunately regular phlebotomy every 12 weeks is the sure way to keep HBC under some control due to Erythropoiesis turnover every 3 months/12 weeks.

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hi dean , does it make a difference how long after phlebotomy u shud wait before getn bloods taken to test for haemoglobin/rbc to insure accurate reading ?