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Eod is fine. Every day is probably better but if the split unevenly then it’s probably worse..

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Hi Jordan,

Any reason as to why your not just pulling carbs from just the Post-post workout?
Do you feel that once you get to a certain level of carbs post workout your better having them post-post? Or is it just a case of if you can eat 600g post workout then do it?

Also when you cruise do you always use this time to strip off some fat (sort of a 8 week mini cut)? Or if you plan on two pushes, would you try and maintain the weight (minus a bit of water), then push up again?

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Thanks DrDeanStMart

I take 1200mg Red Yeast Rice before bed, and 1200mg with breakfast. Am i better taking it all pre-bed?
The brand i used to use apparently contains 10mg Monacolin K per 2400mg but i ran out. Now using NOWs version.
Last blood wok came back pretty good when i ran the stack i mentioned. Which i was happy about considering id only just finish 16 weeks of Test/NPP/Mast, and 8 weeks of VAR. My HDL was actually higher than when i was on my last cruise, luckily my LDL never seems to move much.

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I’d like to know this as well.

I sometimes have to train later in the evening meaning post workout is my last meal. When this is the case, i take my post-post workout carbs and place half of them with my pre-pre workout meal, and half get added post workout. I go to bed stuffed and wake up starving though!
Now i’m thinking of adding in a decent protein flapjack/bar, or something like whey and oats, if i wake in the night (which is most nights thanks to kids/wife kicking me for snoring).

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Hi DrDeanStMart,

Fancy giving ideal dosages, and ideal time to take for the above?

From my findings on the web i take.

Fasted 20-30 mins before breakfast/dinner.
500mg Citrus Bergamot
2 x 950mg Curcumin with Black Pepper ext
2-3 x 1g NAC
300mg Grape Seed Extract (Standardised to contain 90% oligomeric proanthocyanidins)

With fatty meal like breakfast/dinner
2 x 1200mg Red Rice Yeast (using NOWs currently but not sure on the amount of Monacolin K it contains?)
200mg Celery Seed Extract
300mg Superbio COQ-10
6000mg Garlic extract
Baby Aspirin
5000iu Vitamin D
2 x tsp Fish Oil (Nordic)
2 x 500mg “Flush” Niacin
2 x 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil (10% GLA, 80% LA)

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Alcohol on non-training days?

Whats the question?

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What im eating currently (taken from a different thread). Just so you can see that the calories stack up, and im not someone who says there eating loads, when in fact its 3 scoops of whey and some chicken breast each day.

Training day:

Brekkie :- 7 fried eggs with tbsp hollandaise, side salad.
Meal 1 : 170g cooked salmon, Veg
Lunch : Two 6oz beef burgers, slice of cheese and veg, or 150g cooked chicken thighs, 1tsp olive oil, light dressing, salad and some walnuts.
Pre WO : 90g Cream of rice, tsp coconut oil, 45g whey, 1 tsp cinnamon
Intra : 60g HBCD and 20g EAA
Post WO: 8 crumpets with tsp of Jam or Marshmallow fluff on, 50g Whey Iso with cinnamon, 175g cornflakes, 100g banana and some almond milk.
Before bed : 1 bagel, 60g Smoked salmon and 20g Lighter Cream Cheese. Along with 225g Quark, 75g Muesli and a 1/4 cup of blueberries mixed in.

Off day,

8 eggs cooked in a tsp of duck fat, fried veg and 1/4 cup grated cheese.
One English scone with tsp Philadelphia and some jam. 40g whey with 10g Cocoa powder and 50g Almond butter made into a paste.
8oz Rump Steak, 50g reduced fat Houmous, 150g Sweet Potato, 1/4 cup grated cheese, veg with a tsp of butter.
150g Chicken Thighs, salad, 1 tbsp olive oil, half a avocado (60g) and some balsamic.
130g Chicken breast, 1 large wrap, 1/4 cup refried beans, salad and 2 tbsp sour cream.
250g full fat Greek Yogurt (10g fat per 100g), 30g Milk Protein and 30g peanut butter and made into a pudding.

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I just aim for 40-50g of quality protein per meal as a minimum. So my post workout meal might actually contain 60g because of the protein in the cereal, crumpets and bagels etc. I’d count the total calories.

As a sample:

Training day:

Brekkie :- 7 fried eggs with tbsp hollandaise, side salad.
Meal 1 : 170g cooked salmon, Veg
Lunch : Two 6oz beef burgers, slice of cheese and veg, or 150g cooked chicken thighs, 1tsp olive oil, light dressing, salad and some walnuts.
Pre WO : 90g Cream of rice, tsp coconut oil, 45g whey, 1 tsp cinnamon
Intra : 60g HBCD and 20g EAA
Post WO: 8 crumpets with tsp of Jam or Marshmallow fluff on, 50g Whey Iso with cinnamon, 175g cornflakes, 100g banana and some almond milk.
Before bed : 1 bagel, 60g Smoked salmon and 20g Lighter Cream Cheese. Along with 225g Quark, 75g Muesli and a 1/4 cup of blueberries mixed in.

Off day,

8 eggs cooked in a tsp of duck fat, fried veg and 1/4 cup grated cheese.
One English scone with tsp Philadelphia and some jam. 40g whey with 10g Cocoa powder and 50g Almond butter made into a paste.
8oz Rump Steak, 50g reduced fat Houmous, 150g Sweet Potato, 1/4 cup grated cheese, veg with a tsp of butter.
150g Chicken Thighs, salad, 1 tbsp olive oil, half a avocado (60g) and some balsamic.
130g Chicken breast, 1 large wrap, 1/4 cup refried beans, salad and 2 tbsp sour cream.
250g full fat Greek Yogurt (10g fat per 100g), 30g Milk Protein and 30g peanut butter and made into a pudding.

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Weight this morning is back up to 184 lbs, but its an off day today. Upped my Fats to 200g and carbs to 130g. Total calories will be 3450, so 250 more than before. I’ll see if i drop much tomorrow. Tomorrow for Pull i’ll get in 4500 cals and roll with that for a week. I’m still hungry which is good. I could easily eat 600g of carbs post workout and not be overly stuffed. 350g PWO currently and i’m wanting more! I might add in a snack during the night if i wake up. Just a grenade bar or something.

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Hi Jordan, Do you prefer to always do a leg curl before stiff leg dead lifts or GHRs?

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Just with a fatty meal is fine. I normally just take it with my eggs in the morning (along with the majority of my supplements).

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No i’m now on 3200. 280p/120c/180f. Plus what i dont count on top like veg, 8-10g fish oils etc

Treats are starting to feature on off days as well. Last night was a unplanned off day as i couldnt make the gym and instead of a chicken thigh wrap, with beans, cream cheese and guacamole etc which i normally have for dinner on off days. I had a 7oz burger with cheese and bacon in a brioche bun, sweet potato fries, shared a half rack of BBQ ribs and a slice of banoffee pie. Then a couple of hours later, 250g full fat greek yogurt, 30g Milk protein, 5-10g cocoa and 30g almond butter. Also had a Hershys crispy creame donut during the day as i add stuff like that in on weekends as i’m more active so need more calories. Guess my calories on Sunday were 3600-3800. Woke up at 179.2 this morning. Drank loads of water as well!

Still woke up lighter.

I know EQ supposedly causes hunger but it doesn’t prevent weight gain. It is giving a nice look, would just look better 10 lbs heavier! haha

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So an update.

My weight is still not going up! It went up by 5 lbs last week, but has now crashed back down by 6 lbs. Total weight gain over 7 weeks is 5 lousy pounds.
Food intake is consistent, and i’ve increased calories twice since i made this post originally. Now on 4500 per day, started on 3000. I’m 5’7 and “still” 180 lbs, lean. NEAT levels have been cut right back. Only walking the dog at a very slow pace for 25 mins before breakfast now.

Increased calories again today to 280p/600c/110f. Really don’t look any leaner despite my weight not moving, so its not like i’m recomping. But i am getting stronger.

Never had this situation before as i normally gain weight very easily. Rather puzzled and now almost half way through my cycle and not really gained much! Very frustrating!

I think i might need to start adding carbs away from the peri-workout window. I’m starving between by first 3 protein and fat meals. But then im hungry all day apart from for my post, post workout meal. Might be the EQ!!

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Niacin has brought my HDL up. 500mg twice a day.

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After a few days of gaining my weight dropped again this morning after two high days. Might have been a bit dehydrated as spent most of the night sweating.
Beat my log book for Push yesterday so not all bad but my incline barbel press I was a rep short of what I wanted. But 2.5kg up so not all bad. Plus I concentrated a lot more on form so….
Not upped food in 12 days so will add in another 50g of carbs intra-workout.
Not going to up the dose but may well add in some superdrol pre-workout on back and leg days just to get some grunt. Struggling to get in the mind set at the minute (for the first few sets anyway) as I’ve got a lot on my plate/mind unfortunately.