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Apart post workout I doubt it matters, or makes a difference.
Post workout is normally very high carb, so lower fat makes sense to allow for more calories coming in from carbs. Beyond that then as long as you’re within you caloric demand you’ll be fine to mix.

Also the no carb breakfast thing I never found made a huge difference. But then I’m active in the morning with cardio, dog walks, getting kids ready etc, or I’m training.

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I’m actually going to go down to 4 meals a day.
More for a lower protein intake, less
Stress on my digestion liver kidneys etc.
More greens like kale and spinach.
Just to boost my detox effete.

Hi Sas. Is there actually any proof that high protein diets stress kidneys or liver in healthy individuals though? Digestion for sure as bodybuilders are known for “protein farts”! Haha

Also have you really found any difference in amount of protein consumed, against muscle obtained in off season?

For me, I aim for 35-40g of quality protein a meal. That’s 6 meals a day so 240g plus, probably another 30-50g of trace proteins. I’ve been using that formula from my natty days and can’t say as my weight has crept up that I’ve ever felt I needed more (unless dieting). Just my overall calories required to grow has gone up.

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I’d say if you’re getting 35-40g a meal from direct (decent) protein sources you’d be well covered if having 5-6 meals a day.

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Ermmmmmm……………. backs out of conversation slowly and closes door…

I took it and didn’t die. Not sure if that helps or not??

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Tri bold ( 100 eq, bold cyp, dhb/ ml ) – this looks like such a cool product , I would only need like 0.3 / day to get what I want from it when I come out of a cruise , but it depends if A it’s dosed right and B the pip is ok

Regarding the tri-bold. If you dont like PIP i would burn that shit with a blow torch!
DHB watered down with some non-pippy gear could be ok.

I’d be interested in the results for both tbh!

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Muscle Rage is a brand i’ve used before.

Results?? Lots of water, and better sleep for the first couple of weeks. That’s about all.

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First time I used Tren I used Enth and started at 200mg. No problems. Went to 280mg out of greed and my mind turned on me. Anxiety like you’ve never known. Not even suffered with it before. So my advice is start low, and stay low.

It’s a great drug. But the sweating and shit sleep gets old fast.

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Hi Sas. I’m the same mind set with alcohol. Glass of wine or a beer here and there. Pub garden and a couple of beers with lunch never hurt. It possibly just hurts natural guys worse due to the hormone disruption etc etc Never get drunk to a point where I feel it the next day though. That more due to having a young family, and kids don’t care if you’re hung over and just got in bed at 4am.

Nice on the 20 beers though lol. Not sure my stomach could take that much larger these days. More a G&T guy… 🙂

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Southern Ghost DHB as been noted for PIP. But it may have been higher dosed originally at 200mg/ml? A friend used it and said it was brutal.

Not used anything from SG as the dosages look too high to be legit. 500mg EQ, 200mg ml NPP etc. Used 150mg/ml NPP and that was a solid block it was so crashed. It was great though. I can’t imagine 200mg/ml holding easily but I’m no expert on brewing. Used Taylormade for basic bits and seemed ok. Same guys behind both apparently so who know.

Will be interesting to see the test results. If it’s legit and low on PIp, I imagine southern ghost will be selling us all a lot of DHB soon! Haha

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Looks a fuck load of gear for a 4th cycle….. but yes mon/wed/fri is fine

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I wouldn’t Dead lift on an upper/lower split personally. I’d stick with a heavy Rows for back, and then do stiff leg Dead lift variations on lower days.

So i personally am doing.

Monday Seated Cable Row
Tuesday Hack Squat, Barbel SLDL for hammies
Thursday Barbel Row
Saturday Safety Squat, Glute Ham Raise

Mon – Duel DB Row
Tues – V-Squat, DB SLDL
Thur – T-Bar Row
Sat – Smith Squat, Machine SLDL (hammer strength deadlift machine)

On the days i squat with back not supported, i’ll do leg extensions. Days i do back supported squats, i’ll do lunge and sissy squats as 3rd movement.
Also, when i Safety (free) squat, i’ll do a GHR instead of a Deadlift just to save lower back more (that and i love GHRs)

I also stick my more “bang for buck” rows (T-bar and Barbel) where i’ll have an off day after. All so my lower back doesn’t get over worked, and hinder progress.

I don’t find Dead lifts are needed. If you’re doing 6 plate T-Bars, and end up doing 8 plates, if you Barbel Stiff leg 4 plates a side and finish an off season doing 5 plates a side, if your squat goes from 200 for 8 to 230kg for 8 then you’ll have grown. When you do dead lift again. You’ll have improved it.

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That’s really shit..

Any other labs you can try? Southern Ghost on the DHB and Ment? Cant think of any others personally.

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How many is a lot of beers Sas? If its less than 6 bottles its just a warm up….. haha

Do you often have a few drinks off season?

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Personally, right now i’m doing with good effect:-

Chest compound 2 sets 7-9 10-15
Delt compound 2 sets 7-9 10-15
Tricep compound 7-9 8-15 (3rd 15+ set optional)
Chest Iso (fly) 8-10 12-20
Lat Pull down/up variation 7-9 10-15
Heavy Row variation 7-9 10-15
Row or Pull down/up movement 8-10 12-20
Upper back focused row 8-10 12-20
Tricep Extension 8-10 12-20
Lateral Raise Variation 8-10 12-20
(Rear Fly 1 rp set) opitional

Bicep Isolation 8-10 12-20
Bicep Curl 8-10 12-15
Hammer/Reverse Curl 1 rp set optional
Leg Curl 7-9 10-15
Squat Variation 8-10 12-20
Leg press variation 8-10 12-20
Leg Extension/sissy/lunge 10-15 15-20
Adductor/Abductor 2 x 10-20
Calve Raise 2 sets 8-15, and 1 rp set aiming for 18-25 total
Stiff leg dead lift or GHR 7-9 10-15

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No benefit to using a GDA pre? Even with higher carb meals?

I have a tub of r-ALA to use up so will have that post until it’s gone.