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Its not overly high. Just make sure its controlled via an AI. Start on 12.5mg Aromasin e3d and after 4-6 weeks get tested, and see what your estrogen is. Then adjust the AI from there. I always make sure i have Nolva on hand as a just in case but only use it when my nips start to itch/be painful.

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From the picture it doesnt look to me like you have gyno.
You just seem to carry fat around the chest which isnt uncommon, especially with your estrogen being so high. Unless you have, or had painful lumps and nipple sensitivity id say you’re just holding fat.

Yes i would 100% visit a GP and share the results. I’d also start to get rid of some fat by dieting.

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Red Blood Count and HCT is high so i’d want that down pretty quick. Go and give blood asap would be my advise.
Lipids look very out of wack. If you finished the Letro in September then lipids should have returned to there normal state by now. Is youre diet good, do you do cardio? You say you’ve gained fat, but how fat are you?
Test is high for natural range but then so is estrogen. You’d need LH and FSH tested to see what they’re doing to get a better picture i’d guess. If you’re not taking any “supps” to increase it then i’d strongly consider getting this looked at by a specialist as it doesnt look right to me.

As for if you wouldn’t need to take gear to compete against those that do. Well you’re natty test is 34nmol, mine unnatty is 322 (and i could double/triple that if i so wanted). So no you wouldnt be able to compete unless you were a genetic freak who was created by higher powers to simply build ridiculous amounts of muscle (ala Ronnie).

TBH with you’re bloods looking how they do (mostly concerning the lipids and RBC/HCT counts) i’d be avoiding any anabolics until you get to the route cause of these being so out.

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My thinking is better to keep the battery charged, than to let it go flat and have to bump start the car.
If fertility, and having balls is important to you then use HCG. If its not, and you want to save the $$$$ then dont.
Recovery wise then i do believe it will make recovery post coming off easier. This has even been shown in studies i believe?.

500iu every 5 days is what i use. So cost wise, about £18 every 50 days. Worth it for balls that can still swing in my opinion.

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I drop it when cruising. You won’t need an AI on 150mg a week of test so yes stop it. Better for lipids.

I usually just use nolva if boobs start getting sensitive or lumpy.

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Well medichecks can test for oestrone so can order a kit. It’s expensive though. Turnaround time is long so doubt I’d get results until the new year, and I’ll be cruising then.

I’d say it’s likely that I’m probably just ridding it naturally. Is it worth getting liver checked again?

What are the sides from oestrone?

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No Dean you’re actually right. Both results are pmol/l. My eyesight must be getting lazy in my age.

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Hi Dean.

Liver function is fine. Using NAC 2-3G a day. Nothing else. Kidneys etc all good.

Had the two tests by different companies and both have used nmol. Looking back every oestrogen test i’ve had uses nmol?

I definetly had some nipple sensitivity when i lowered the Aromasin to E3d so might be prolactin related as NPPs in the mix? Not currently using caber.

Why would E2 be converted to E3 and what’s this mean exactly?

Cheers

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I did add in the Proviron when i dropped to e3d as i had it laying around (its UGL though).
Everything else the same. Same brand of Test, same of NPP. Different vials obvs.
I didnt think Proviron was that good at controlling estrogen tbh.
I’ve only got three weeks left on cycle and my E2 has been very low the whole time. Not looking forward to my bloods in the new year! HDL = 0.0 🙁 lol
Plus im probably cheating myself outta some GAINZ!
I’ll drop to e3ds again i guess. Or i could drop the AI altogether?

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So had a second load of bloods done and results are strange?!!??!

Results below are when using 12.5mg Aromasin everyday.

Test 322 nmol/L (7.6 – 31.4)
Oest 55 nmo/L (24 – 144)

Dropped it to e3d. But my nipps started to itch, and lumps started to form, so i upped it to eod and problem solved.
Had bloods taken 2 weeks after adjusting to eod dosing.

Test 308 nmol/L (7.6 – 31.4)
Oest 38.8 nmo/L (24 – 144)

So estrogen is lower on eod than it was when taking everyday?
I’ll drop back to e3d again and see what happens. Normally my Estrogen is top end (around 110-130nmol) on 600mg test when taking 12.5mg eod.

Cycle is 750mg Test and 450mg NPP. 50mg Proviron a day, and added in 50mg Var the last two pre-workouts. Aromasin is pharma.

Dr Dean any ideas what wizardry would be at play?

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20mg Nolva until it goes.
I dont like running AIs on cruises personally as they effect lipids.
I’d get blood work and see if Estrogen has fallen about 3-4 weeks after the last blast pin.

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If you’ve been using HCG from the start then i’d say you’ll likely be fine.
I was kind of careless as i assumed id be firing blanks and now kiddie number 4 is due! lol
So yeah HCG i’d say is effective at preventing infertility via AAS (when used throughout).
Add in Proviron when the time comes and you should be dandy!

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Looks fine to me.

If you feel fine mentally and physically, why go sticking more drugs in your self to disrupt the balance?
What you expecting from test levels rising from 13 to say 20? Because it most likely you’ll feel no different. Also what was your test level before steroids? If it was 20+ then yeah there is scope to recover more. If you dont know, then how do you know it wasnt 9 nmol/l before steroids?

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continuous HCG is the best bet for fertility.
Three years on B&C, and my wife’s pregnant. So either HCG works at maintaining ITT, or the postman has a lot to answer for.