[@Holbornfitness]

What’s the price range for getting GH/gear tested?

[@Holbornfitness]

Yeh i am similar to Kuba

I would go.

IGF

NAD

SS-31

I would also go Mots C.

SLU potentially also but its a question of how many things do you want to add at once and how many d you want to save until later etc etc

Thanks Hilly

Would rough dose would you run of each of them peptides?

Seeing mixed opinions so just need a steering point to go off really

[@Holbornfitness]

Hey bud

Start with IGF 1 nad & ss31

Then use SLU when metabolically you need it

Imo it works tremendously when dieting or phases of lower Anabolics, when pushing up it may have some interference with hypertrophy I have seen.

Use it in phases to improve sensitivity it’s tremendous for that

5 amino works best when leaner

Reta start on 0.5 mg if you try it

Thanks for your reply KUBA

What would be a good dose to run of IGF, NAD & SS-31

Cheers [/quote]

Ss31 2-5 mg imo

Nad 50 mg x 6 per week

Igf as Jordan recommends [/quote]
Okay thanks

I can see any comments from Jordan on here

[@Holbornfitness]

Hey bud

Start with IGF 1 nad & ss31

Then use SLU when metabolically you need it

Imo it works tremendously when dieting or phases of lower Anabolics, when pushing up it may have some interference with hypertrophy I have seen.

Use it in phases to improve sensitivity it’s tremendous for that

5 amino works best when leaner

Reta start on 0.5 mg if you try it

Thanks for your reply KUBA

What would be a good dose to run of IGF, NAD & SS-31

Cheers

[@Holbornfitness]

Thanks mate, I had blood let done today just 470ml pulled out purely because I’ve never had it done before and ran gear a few years now

I have tightened up a little since EQ has gone, felt like it was holding a smidge of water under my skin, glutes are shaper since too

[@Holbornfitness]

I’m now in week 11 of my cycle running daily doses;

45mg test E (lowered 3 weeks ago from 60mg)
30mg Primo (swapped for EQ 3 weeks ago)
90mg Mast E

[@Holbornfitness]

Ah that’s good to know, been using there primo for the last 2 weeks

Have you got a contact for raw bro?[/quote]
No sorry

[@Holbornfitness]

i have only heard of 1 Raw Pharma – as above it comes in 20ml bottles

Thanks mate!

[@Holbornfitness]

Ah that’s good to know, been using there primo for the last 2 weeks

[@Holbornfitness]

the real key to GH use IMO is simply making sure your using it. Then in terms of timing its looking to manipulate the mechanisms of the drug but how actual relevant this is in terms of what your actually going to see in real time benefits is debatable.

So for example if your looking to grow then arguably pre gym or pre bed makes the most sense – Pre bed is when we naturally produce most of our growth hormone and we technically heal/recover and grow as we sleep so a dose here can make sense. Pre workout arguably makes sense to enhance IGF levels and the growth factor pathways that occur when we train.

Taking a dose on wake to increase lipolysis and enhance fat burning during the morning if your doing cardio and keeping carbs out can then make sense.

So its picking the timing that suits what your trying to achieve.

Scientifically in medically studies a bigger dose EOD/MWF has been shown to drive growth better due to higher spikes in IGF and if your dosing less frequently there is less potential for running into insulin resistant issues.

So if your looking to be geeky etc then you can play with timings based on this sort of information but again in real terms its just about taking the stuff and the more you can afford to take ultimately the more you will see from the drug in most peoples experiences

Really appreciate this breakdown, thank you!

I’ll continuing taking it pre gym and pre bed whilst I’m in my rebound phase, potentially have a play about with dose frequency and defo will be upping the dose soon

Cheers again

[@Holbornfitness]

Firstly huge congrats on your return to the stage and all the best with your comps later this year! Preference for myself has always been sub q with HGH. With HGH closer to show some people do like to pull this completely for the point you said about holding water, but an alternative could be keeping HGH in at a low dosage and actually lowering test instead and keeping your dht derivatives as they were (mast or primo) to help manage e2 and pull water that way

Thank you!

I prefer IM from doing it IM last night, sits perfect

I pulled it for my first show 1 week out as I had slight water retention from where my socks had been, which went with 3/4 days but defo lost fullness, as now I’ve started it again on Sunday I look miles fuller and just as lean so I’ll be taking that onboard for next time

When do you think it’s best to be used? Is it true it peaks after a couple of hours? So would it be more beneficial injection like 2-3 hours pre gym and pre bed?

[@Holbornfitness]

Hey!

Congratulations on such a successful start to your season. There isn’t much difference in IM and subq, however I do prefer IM, and it is very individual to how much you hold water.

Some athletes don’t need to pull GH because they can get super dry without pulling and need the GH for the added fullness, so it’s about finding what works for you.

Thank you!

I prefer IM from doing it IM last night, sits perfect

I pulled it for my first show 1 week out as I had slight water retention from where my socks had been, which went with 3/4 days but defo lost fullness, as now I’ve started it again on Sunday I look miles fuller and just as lean so I’ll be taking that onboard for next time

When do you think it’s best to be used? Is it true it peaks after a couple of hours? So would it be more beneficial injection like 2-3 hours pre gym and pre bed?

[@Holbornfitness]

Huge congrats that is awesome to hear!! I have always done it sub q and haven’t had any issue , I think it’s all personal preference between the two

Thank you!!

I thought so, I did it IM for the first time yesterday and preferred it over subq, just a tad easier

When do you think it’s best to be used? Is it true it peaks after a couple of hours? So would it be more beneficial injection like 2-3 hours pre gym and pre bed?

[@Holbornfitness]

Ohhh and a huge congrats on your results mate.

Fantastic

Thanks bud!

[@Holbornfitness]

I always go IM

I think I will do going forward too, subq doesn’t seems to leave a little lump now and again. How many days would you leave it before hitting the same site again?

And when do you think it’s best to be used? Is it true it peaks after a couple of hours? So would it be more beneficial injection like 2-3 hours pre gym and pre bed?

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