[Luke Sellick]

You can tag in chest supported shrug at the end of your machine upper back work or even Tbar row either as a separate set or a set extension

Cheers man, surprised I didn’t think to do that myself

[Luke Sellick]

Makes no diff , pick one or the other , take your weight up

I also said that very specifically to 2 body parts , can you remember which 2 ? Or did you manage to miss the most important part , ( that it was just 2 body parts lol )

Hams and chest! Which I do believe you are right, as over the years I have noticed lowering the frequency on those two specific muscles gave me better session improvements

Will go with the full body and monitor my chest as I can’t progress it if I do more than 2 sets on upper lower. So if I run into that problem I will leave it to rest every other full body workout

[Luke Sellick]

Personally i without knowing much about you but the above I would be doing to start

300mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast.

Asses at weeks 6-8 – get bloods done to see were you hormones are on these ratio’s – how you feel, how progress is in the gym and visually and how performance is and then decide if you need to tweak things, if you want/need to bump up the total dose or not and go from there

Also one last question, I’m planning on doing a pct after.

Let’s say it take me 30 weeks before I’m off off.

Would hcg taken 250iu a week throughout the cycle be enough to jump start pct. Or do I spend the extra $200 and make it 500iu a week

Or:

Is it just best to take hcg right after last pin in larger doses [/quote]

Its almost impossible to say what is best – for most people just taking a larger dose PWO always brings them back on line.

IMO HCG use during cycle is more cosmetic and will help retain testicular size however there is then no debate really it will in some form aid in recovery but IME it is not needed.

Either way tho you will need a larger dose still post cycle [/quote]
Sorry to be a pain, I’m just doing a lot of research and most people don’t recommend using mast and primo in a pushing phase especially at lower doses.

I know what you recommend is probably right as I’m seeing people recommending 1g+ usage a week which seems like a lot.

What makes it better to use the 3 in combination compared to like eq and deca which seems to be the most recommended to me.

Just trying to understand all this information

[Luke Sellick]

Personally i without knowing much about you but the above I would be doing to start

300mg test,

200mg primo

200mg mast.

Asses at weeks 6-8 – get bloods done to see were you hormones are on these ratio’s – how you feel, how progress is in the gym and visually and how performance is and then decide if you need to tweak things, if you want/need to bump up the total dose or not and go from there

Also one last question, I’m planning on doing a pct after.

Let’s say it take me 30 weeks before I’m off off.

Would hcg taken 250iu a week throughout the cycle be enough to jump start pct. Or do I spend the extra $200 and make it 500iu a week

Or:

Is it just best to take hcg right after last pin in larger doses

[Luke Sellick]

Disregard this post. Uploaded it to the wrong forum and can’t seem to delete it

[Luke Sellick]

As Jordan has said many times before if you want to grow as fast as possible then training 4x a week U/L or full body every other day will yield the best results for 90% of people. I train U/L and probably will for a few more year before I decide to go to 4-5x a week PPL

Yeah but i tried that mate, as specified in the post, tried the full body eod and upper lower rest templates and i wasnt making progress on them, therefore im asking if a tweaked version of those allowing me to get more frequency on my upper body, without lower body hindering my progress could be a good decision

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I don’t think it’s the specific split that is the reason you aren’t making progress. There are many other factors to consider and I don’t think increasing frequency will help you progress. If any frequency change needs to be make it’s probably less.

You should consider
– exercise execution
– diet / protein intake
– Recovery
– life style effect on recovery
– volume

Many of the other guys in this forum will be able to go into better detail than me and help you a lot better. I just don’t think the outlook of “more” will help when you aren’t progressing

[Luke Sellick]

As Jordan has said many times before if you want to grow as fast as possible then training 4x a week U/L or full body every other day will yield the best results for 90% of people. I train U/L and probably will for a few more year before I decide to go to 4-5x a week PPL

[Luke Sellick]

Lower the chest frequency perhaps? I had the same issue and now training it

Week 1
Monday-chest
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday-chest
Saturday
Sunday

Week 2
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday- chest
Friday
Saturday
Sunday

Repeat

Regardless if the chest lands on a lower session day I will find a spot to fit it on.
I noticed far more progressive overload training chest 3x a fortnight rather than 4

[Luke Sellick]

It very much depends were the E2 sides are and what’s needed to bring it down.

Personally I would then go 400mg test, 200mg mast and 100mg primo – giving you the same total dose as your last cycle and check bloods at week 5-6

So test should be higher than mast and primo? I’m still learning so sorry if I don’t fully understand some things,
I already have 4 vials of mast so I’m just deciding on the test and primo dosages so I can place an order soon. Would primo be worth the money doing at only 100mg a week?
Speaking that I already have 4 vials of mast my dosage can be around 400mg a week so what ratio of test and primo would tailor that that specific amount best
Also worth saying that I’m thinking of taking hcg throughout the cycle to make the pct a little easier on me[/quote]

Test should be were you want it to be and in ratio with other drugs that control E2 for yourself – also based on short term goal and how you react.

There is only so much we can do for you here bud in terms of advice – you asked recommendations for third cycle – This is what I would do 🙂

you then have to take our advice and find out what works best for you – and tailor things to your goals [/quote]
Thank you man I do appreciate the advice, Just one more question. From my research I see mast not really being used for a push and instead more of a cut. I’m looking to do a 20-30 lbs push on this cycle so would test/mast/primo help in that regards to my goals

[Luke Sellick]

It very much depends were the E2 sides are and what’s needed to bring it down.

Personally I would then go 400mg test, 200mg mast and 100mg primo – giving you the same total dose as your last cycle and check bloods at week 5-6

So test should be higher than mast and primo? I’m still learning so sorry if I don’t fully understand some things,
I already have 4 vials of mast so I’m just deciding on the test and primo dosages so I can place an order soon. Would primo be worth the money doing at only 100mg a week?
Speaking that I already have 4 vials of mast my dosage can be around 400mg a week so what ratio of test and primo would tailor that that specific amount best

Also worth saying that I’m thinking of taking hcg throughout the cycle to make the pct a little easier on me

[Luke Sellick]

Test and mast for me here would be great option

Low dose of npp or tren could go a long way as a combo if you can tolerate it well again depending on your risk / reward ratio.

Test mast gh slin is going to be still the best here imo especially gh and slin added to mix giving you plenty of synergy and keeping you leaner if you used it correctly

Fully agree with kuba here.

If you felt great on those doses and had great results then I would be running 500mg test but with 300mg mast on top[/quote]
Also I could possibly add in 200mg of primo as that would still fit my budget. So would 250test. 300mast and 200 primo be a good combo?

[Luke Sellick]

Test and mast for me here would be great option

Low dose of npp or tren could go a long way as a combo if you can tolerate it well again depending on your risk / reward ratio.

Test mast gh slin is going to be still the best here imo especially gh and slin added to mix giving you plenty of synergy and keeping you leaner if you used it correctly

Fully agree with kuba here.

If you felt great on those doses and had great results then I would be running 500mg test but with 300mg mast on top[/quote]
I feel like I get e2 sides from even 250mg of test (watery and itchy nips) do you think raising the mast to 400mg with 250 test be a better idea?