Rhys Blair
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Potentially getting too much of a skewed androgen:estrogen ratio. Maybe drop primo down to 450 in line with test and drop proviron completely.
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Hi Jordan,Notice your DHEA is high normal whilst most people’s crashes when being on exogenous hormones. Do you think taking exogenous thyroid is helping in that regard? Many people anecdotally feel better when dhea is high normal as opposed to being crashed. Quite a low e2 also considering no AI?Also pretty awesome response to 250mg wkly if this was taken in a trough as I assume you would do!Cheers
Great point @yungshred . I think I mentioned this earlier to Jordan in some previous bloodwork that Jordan posted. His dhea-s has always been at the 10 umol mark, which is odd since his LH is bottomed out ( from exogenous testosterone) so you would expect those downstream pathways to not be filled, namely the neurosteroids, dhea-s, progesterone and pregnenolone. All these hormones are very pro- anabolic and pro-recovery so its something bodybuilders should optimise. Even Jordan’s progesterone is high which is even more bizarre without LH. I swear Jordan’s body can just readjust somehow even with the disruption of exogenous hormones. Lucky bastard. My dhea-s tanked to 2.9 – 3.7 umol/l for the past few years and i havent managed to get it up without exogenous dhea supplementation. The only other thing to note is the SHBG being quite low but you could attribute that to the proviron use. Despite popular belief, you dont want to tank you shbg as it serves as the transport function for these hormones into the tissues, ideally you would want it at around 30- 35 nmol mark, but if he feels good there then fine. Vigorous Steve has a great youtube channel has going into these topics.
Maybe i need to check my thyroid function. I didnt know there could be a correlation between thyroid and dhea-s.
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Not too sure if thyroid does impact those other hormones or if @Jordan_Peter’s is just a lucky bastard when it comes to how his body responds! -
Rhys there has been sporadic quarter tab aromasin but now primo will go in I won’t do that
The thyroid defo is helping , looking back at all my previously bloods mine has always been in that spot
Thx mate was gonna say primo will probably take the e2 too low but no Aromasin will defo help it rise up which will be good when you add in the primo!
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Hi Jordan,
Notice your DHEA is high normal whilst most people’s crashes when being on exogenous hormones. Do you think taking exogenous thyroid is helping in that regard? Many people anecdotally feel better when dhea is high normal as opposed to being crashed. Quite a low e2 also considering no AI?
Also pretty awesome response to 250mg wkly if this was taken in a trough as I assume you would do!
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Kuba says that masteron lowering estro is bullshit though
Won’t lower blood levels but reduces estrogenic activity.
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600 test 200 primo had my estrogen low. Eq did the same at a ratio close to 1:1 (though someone on this forum refuted that eq could do this vehemently).
Glad to see facts like this being accepted more readily amongst other communities and not just the one they often originate from (reddit).
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I went down the rabbit whole n stopped pretty quick.
Any one taking info from a site that states this deserves the bad information lol_________________________________________
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http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.All good mate just thought I’d share my experience and a source that supports it.
Lots of junk there I don’t disagree.
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Mate for many people (myself included) EQ will act as an AI.
EQ metabolites ADD, ATD and 1-AD can act as powerful aromatase inhibitors in those sensitive to these molecules, and hence readily crash E2. EQ anxiety is one symptom of crashed estrogen levels.
I experienced crazy anxiety on EQ and read into it as just a “common side of EQ”. I ran bloods and my E2 was in the gutter as I was dosing arimidex too.
The standard ratio for dosing Equipoise is 2:3 (test:EQ), but a low aromatizer might need to go with 1:1. In both scenarios an AI should not be needed.
Run some bloods but this has been an increasingly well-known problem amongst those using EQ.
Source: equipoise write-up on reddit (yes I know…) along with self-anecdotal experience with blood tests confirming crashed e2 on what IIRC was 600 test 800 EQ and .5 arimidex eod or so.This is not true. EQ does not act as an AI for any one never mind many people.
We have covered this in a thread already._________________________________________
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http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.[/quote]
Mate I’m just posting an anecdotal experience.
The eq was legit. All the normal sides/affects (vascularity, glow to skin, ridiculous hunger) and my e2 was in the bin.
I don’t think it’s something to dismiss as anecdotal experiences are often the best reports we have as studies aren’t done on compounds not intended for human use.
Obviously everyone responds differently to different drugs. [/quote]
One person is not anecdotal lol.
You are the only person to say thid out of my 12 years of experience plus the other guys that posted on the thread regarding this also saying they have never seen this result.
That’s like 30 plus years of anecdotal info.
So you are more than welcome to say YOU have seen this.
Just don’t bull shit saying MANY lol._________________________________________
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http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.[/quote]
I mean by definition one person is enough to make it an anecdotal experience.
Many being as I said (yes lol I know) reddit.
I just don’t think it’s something to necessarily dismiss.
I think we can both agree bloods need to be run as always.[/quote]
What we can agree on is.
YOU have experienced this.
What we can agree on is No one else here has that had the credibility n experience to take advice on.
What we can agree on is i havnt seen any literature to support an AI effect.
Reddit means nothing to me. No idea what it is lol
So you can’t use the term many. That’s it. Simply that._________________________________________
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Sorry mate I’m at gym not trying to argue simply provide an alternative path of thinking.https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/equipoise?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
If you’re curious/care
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Mate for many people (myself included) EQ will act as an AI.
EQ metabolites ADD, ATD and 1-AD can act as powerful aromatase inhibitors in those sensitive to these molecules, and hence readily crash E2. EQ anxiety is one symptom of crashed estrogen levels.
I experienced crazy anxiety on EQ and read into it as just a “common side of EQ”. I ran bloods and my E2 was in the gutter as I was dosing arimidex too.
The standard ratio for dosing Equipoise is 2:3 (test:EQ), but a low aromatizer might need to go with 1:1. In both scenarios an AI should not be needed.
Run some bloods but this has been an increasingly well-known problem amongst those using EQ.
Source: equipoise write-up on reddit (yes I know…) along with self-anecdotal experience with blood tests confirming crashed e2 on what IIRC was 600 test 800 EQ and .5 arimidex eod or so.This is not true. EQ does not act as an AI for any one never mind many people.
We have covered this in a thread already._________________________________________
Instagram name – Hillydoc. http://Www.physique-enhancement.co.uk | http://www.trainedbyjpclothing.com – The most anabolic clothing ever! |
http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.[/quote]
Mate I’m just posting an anecdotal experience.
The eq was legit. All the normal sides/affects (vascularity, glow to skin, ridiculous hunger) and my e2 was in the bin.
I don’t think it’s something to dismiss as anecdotal experiences are often the best reports we have as studies aren’t done on compounds not intended for human use.
Obviously everyone responds differently to different drugs. [/quote]
One person is not anecdotal lol.
You are the only person to say thid out of my 12 years of experience plus the other guys that posted on the thread regarding this also saying they have never seen this result.
That’s like 30 plus years of anecdotal info.
So you are more than welcome to say YOU have seen this.
Just don’t bull shit saying MANY lol._________________________________________
Instagram name – Hillydoc. http://Www.physique-enhancement.co.uk | http://www.trainedbyjpclothing.com – The most anabolic clothing ever! |
http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.[/quote]
I mean by definition one person is enough to make it an anecdotal experience.Many being as I said (yes lol I know) reddit.
I just don’t think it’s something to necessarily dismiss.
I think we can both agree bloods need to be run as always.
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Mate for many people (myself included) EQ will act as an AI.
EQ metabolites ADD, ATD and 1-AD can act as powerful aromatase inhibitors in those sensitive to these molecules, and hence readily crash E2. EQ anxiety is one symptom of crashed estrogen levels.
I experienced crazy anxiety on EQ and read into it as just a “common side of EQ”. I ran bloods and my E2 was in the gutter as I was dosing arimidex too.
The standard ratio for dosing Equipoise is 2:3 (test:EQ), but a low aromatizer might need to go with 1:1. In both scenarios an AI should not be needed.
Run some bloods but this has been an increasingly well-known problem amongst those using EQ.
Source: equipoise write-up on reddit (yes I know…) along with self-anecdotal experience with blood tests confirming crashed e2 on what IIRC was 600 test 800 EQ and .5 arimidex eod or so.This is not true. EQ does not act as an AI for any one never mind many people.
We have covered this in a thread already._________________________________________
Instagram name – Hillydoc. http://Www.physique-enhancement.co.uk | http://www.trainedbyjpclothing.com – The most anabolic clothing ever! |
http://www.trainedbyjp-nutrition.com – highest quality supplements on the market.[/quote]
Mate I’m just posting an anecdotal experience.The eq was legit. All the normal sides/affects (vascularity, glow to skin, ridiculous hunger) and my e2 was in the bin.
I don’t think it’s something to dismiss as anecdotal experiences are often the best reports we have as studies aren’t done on compounds not intended for human use.
Obviously everyone responds differently to different drugs.
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Mate for many people (myself included) EQ will act as an AI.
EQ metabolites ADD, ATD and 1-AD can act as powerful aromatase inhibitors in those sensitive to these molecules, and hence readily crash E2. EQ anxiety is one symptom of crashed estrogen levels.
I experienced crazy anxiety on EQ and read into it as just a “common side of EQ”. I ran bloods and my E2 was in the gutter as I was dosing arimidex too.
The standard ratio for dosing Equipoise is 2:3 (test:EQ), but a low aromatizer might need to go with 1:1. In both scenarios an AI should not be needed.
Run some bloods but this has been an increasingly well-known problem amongst those using EQ.
Source: equipoise write-up on reddit (yes I know…) along with self-anecdotal experience with blood tests confirming crashed e2 on what IIRC was 600 test 800 EQ and .5 arimidex eod or so.
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Cheers dean!
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