[Ben]

yeh IME tricep for alot of people causes issues like this especially the first time. Agree with Nathan also, if it gets worse over the next 24-48 hours you may need to go doctor

Thanks both for replies .. what’s closest acceptable timing for doing jabs before training same muscle if going to do so? Could I do it a couple hours after training so it dosent interfere?

[Ben]

Do you use an insulin needle when you pinned? Do you rotate your injection sites? I agree with Andy’s comments on not pinning before workout the muscle group I plan on training

I used a 12.7mm insulin pin. I do rotate, that was just first time in left tri

[Ben]

I find that triceps do cause a lot of bother when it comes to PIP. I’d say my success rate it about 2/10 shots in my shots get PIP or slightly inflamed, but then the frequency which I jag them isn’t that high. Maybe once every 3-4 weeks. It may just be a site you can’t do, and should probably avoid as that’s a small amount of oil.

There’s something about pinning a muscle prior to training that doesn’t sit for me. Some claim the pumps are better, but I feel you’ve compromised the tissue and then you’re away to do it again in a session. Train with PIP days later I don’t see as much as an issue though.

Thanks for the reply

[Ben]

I’d opt to micro dose at 100iu per day or 200iu if looking to improve sperm count.

Thanks

[Ben]

I do all my Trt shots subQ n have done a couple of years now. 0 issues from pinning 10iu daily for 8-16 week periods.

Many of my clients do this.

I then switch to IM for cycles

Ok thanks for reply
So if I was looking at doing Trt long term, is subq unsustainable, should I just do IM

[Ben]

What’s the reason for wanting to do sub q and not IM?

I’d just seen good things about it from hilly, I’ve heard about the more steady release. Also sounds a lot easier/less risky doing IM as I’m used to with peps

[Ben]

Esgfitness, EmiliaThompson, Meg Sylvester, Hannah_shephysiqSarah Law, hmm my minds blank, if I come across some today I’ll post for sure, I’m sure the others would chip in!

Thanks !

[Ben]

Thanks guys

[Ben]

Have you actually looked at fixing the root cause instead of just treating the inflammation from what ever the issue is?

Klow will work for sure -Mix 3ml of bas water and then dose 30iu (3 x normal dose) daily into the bicep area.

However if after all this time and use of others I doubt this will make it simple go away.

therapy work – massage/chiro/osteo/physio etc

Thanks for your reply 🙂
I do a decent amount of isometric work, the level it is at is actually degradation of the tendon, got an ebook of Stephen low called overcoming gravity which explains how there’s no inflammation in the tendon once it’s been over a sustained period so it’s a struggle to just reduce inflammation as apparently there’s none actually present.

I will definitely give this dosing a go, I’m just at the stage where willing to push the peptides a bit higher

Again thanks for the reply

[Ben]

I take about 2mg daily before meal 1. I train after meal 1. Feels great. Mood , blood pressure, blood flow , pump etc. don’t heed a lot of its legit stuff. It 100% shouldn’t be giving you issues though. But I take it year round

Do you just use the regular one you can buy online ? I see biolabs have a liquid form wondering if that’s any good

[Ben]

Is it worth it in a gaining phase, can it help performance? Or is it just something you’d use in a deficit. Been thinking about using myself

[Ben]

Yes it is 100% worth using. I use both and take 30 minutes pre bed

What benefits have you noticed on what dose? Thanks

[Ben]

Personally – I would be louder to annoy them even more – but thats just me haha. But in all seriousness, like Clare said, it’s not like you’re screaming in their face, so keep doing your thing and tell em to fuck off.

Thanks for both replies 🙂 just wondering if anyone knew any of the actual science on making noise. Like genuinely some of those reps I feel like I wouldn’t be able to get without making noise.

[Ben]

I used to get this from biolabs ghk cu but proforma dosent seem to do it.

[Ben]

Someone put this in the other day