[Borge Fagerli]

The only person who has ever had an influence on my training is Dr Scott when it comes to direct coaching , he taught me SO much in 2011/12/13 , and then indirectly Dante just through lots of messages . Most of Stefan’s long term clients use my training methods as I gave seminars to them in 2017 and then helped a few of them 1-1 with coaching

Very interesting!

I’ve had many good talks with Scott, he is truly one of the brightest minds and best coaches! Dante needs to introduction, he’s created mass monsters for decades 🙂

Yeah, I noticed in a few of the workouts and videos posted by some of his clients that it’s very similar to yours.

Thanks!

Why do you think high-volume training is still so prevalent among some of the pros? Eg. Derek Lunsford, CBum – is it Hany’s influence?

Anyway, if people would just follow along with your workouts and watch how you adjust it according to your progress, they would learn how to individualize their own training instead of just blindly copying what some influencer or pro is doing. 🙂

[Borge Fagerli]

If this is off-topic, just ignore…but I see you worked with Stefan Kienzl before and he’s got a couple of videos in the education section. He seems to be doing well with his competitors these days, but his training philosophy seems to be more towards the bro-split side of things.

Did you also train like this with him and then figure out that your personality type and preference simply makes you more suitable for a higher-effort, higher frequency type training?

Or did he “allow” you to do follow your own training philosophy? It seems you tend to gravitate more towards splits that hit each muscle 2-3x/week and it’s obviously made you into one of the biggest bodybuilders on a kg-per-cm basis I’ve ever seen 😀

The UK scene in general (Dorian obviously comes to mind) historically seems to favor a more high-effort, heavy training style.

There’s this ongoing controversy on volume an d frequency on social media these days, but I’m inclined to believe it’s simply a matter of figuring out what works for your own body – and I wish more would understand that. I’m just shaking my head at these question you get on Instagram, as if there’s a “perfect” way to train (often ignoring the nutrition and PED milligrams involved in building the most massive bodybuilders).

Also, the similarities may not be as big as claimed if you consider that even the high-volume bodybuilders do a lot of “working” sets that you would count as “warm-up sets”.

I wrote about it here:
https://www.borgefagerli.com/blog/secret-ingredient-muscle-growth-not-just-volume-its-you

borgefagerli.com

The Secret Ingredient to Muscle Growth: It's Not Just Volume, It's You

Interesting similarities between the training of Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman. My "Training Volume Redux" conclusions with a unique twist on the relationship with personality types.

[Borge Fagerli]

So my thinking is this , we are on a time line after training that goes : under recovered >>>>>>sweet spot >>>>> atrophy

So many many guys waiting 6/7 days to train things are missing a potential sweet spot to re train things and moving back into a state of losing the adaptations that have incurred from the previous session

This is why you can change so fast from eod work as if you get the volume right , you hit this sweet spot where the moment the adaptations have occurred ( we know they are all done in 48 hours ) ,

So interesting to see that what’s old is new again. I started my training career with Leo Costa’s Serious Growth and Bulgarian Burst training which had you training everything with a 3x/week frequency. Now granted, it was excessive volume at the time (up to 6 sets) but before I got overtrained it certainly worked well.

Then I spent a few years on Bryan Haycock’s HST board and had some of the best gains of my life. it was a fullbody eod program, generally around 2-3 sets per muscle group, and focus on progressive overload (linear progression from 15 reps to 5 reps+dropsets over 8-10 weeks).

Have done iterations of high frequency training throughout the years, and in retrospect didn’t adjust volume or add extra rest days organically like you’re doing here.

So great insights and inspiring to see someone with your unique combination of size, strength and knowledge promoting it. Defo doing that moving forward!

The videos are going on IG , but I’m not on there anymore , I’m done with it , so any interaction at all with me you will only get on here ….I want to keep my ability to help high , and that’s not possible on IG anymore , as the level of interaction is simply too high and I can feel it scattering my brain lol and I’m going to start getting arsey with people , so I like to think I’m self aware enough to get off there before I start to misrepresent myself out of frustration

That is SO true.

The noise level and constant fighting, controversy and flood of DMs+repetitive questions from people who won’t do a minimum of due diligence is just mind-blowing.

[Borge Fagerli]

based on all of this and the current set up I would be inclined to drop the Tren for 200mg primo to lower E2 into the show.

I would be hard pushed to see why being on 1700kcal at this low dose of test is the cause for water retention mind but either way this will help.

personally I would also bring in 20mg Var pre training days –

Thanks – I decided to go with 200mg primo + 20mg/day Anavar. Will also run 20mg/day Tbol until I start my Winstrol ramp.

My body always reacts with elevated cortisol and stress when I cut calories, the more I’ve cut them the more water retention I’ve experienced – I’ve gained weight instead of losing on every weekly weigh-in for the last 3 weeks.

I have DEEP sock marks on my ankles, and a couple of days of my feet hurting just to walk with shoes on.

I’m on 20mg of Telmisartan, too.

I trust my coach will adjust the training and diet the final week to fix this, though. Tried drastically reducing caffeine intake and skipping my usual pre-WO ephedrine (12.5mg only) for a couple of days and slept 9hrs every night, so my body is obviously really tired.

[Borge Fagerli]

I’m also holding a lot of water right now, mostly due to being at 1700kcals for 7 weeks now…

Another option I thought of was replacing Tren with 300mg of Primo (+Anavar?) I can get the Nibal which is expensive but legit afaik.

Things are challenging enough so if I can get even tiny improvements in sleep and mood it will be worth it.