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Hey there Haider, just caught up on the last bits of your log, I’d be curious if you could provide an overview update where you are?

I saw the last cycle update was 300 test 1000mast I think. You mention some lypolotics, what’s that looking like?

What’s your diet setup currently?

If you have the time to provide a current state update it’d be appreciated!

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Pull & biceps today great session went as follows:-

SA nautilus compound row x 13 x 12

SA granite pull-down x 10 x 10

Watson TBAR x 14 x 12

Prime pull-down x 10 x 10

Nautilus rear delt x 20 x 20 x 20

SA high curl x 15 x 15 x 12

Dual cable curl x 12 x 12 x 12

Abs x 6 sets

2 rounds posing

10 mins n bike

Back in for legs on tomorrow

Hey Nathan I watched your latest you tube outlining your cycle. Genuine question as to how you manage your pinning with the high ml due to primo and carnitine.

Would you mind sharing your rotation strategy?

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Rest day – decent night of sleep so I am feeling good this morning, wake straight into office and get stuck into check ins – steps – posing – 90 minutes deep tissue and sauna.

Very productive days to be fair so very happy.

Weight holding – cycle has been titrating up over last 4 weeks started at 1200/1600/2100 now and that’s more likely all I will need with shifts up and down with test as I go along and maybe some orals towards end if I really need them.

Right now my lifts are flying and I am changing a lot so happy days.

Are you still using test and a mix of primo/mast at this point in the prep during this initial escalation?

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Rest day, nothing to report I start prep hard out of the gate so I can get very much in front this year

Around 900 calories dropped across both days which will see a very decent rate of loss initially – cycle is going back in since Saturday too

1600 mg total test primo mast – I was doing trt initially and then 400 mg total of test and mast so intially going to 1600 from 400 and given where I am strength wise I will get a lot from

This.

gh 8 iu

Clen 20

T3 25

T4 100

Will document everything as I go along with full transparency.

Il update diet tomorrow

Steps 8000/10000 daily – cardio has now been removed, I only do cardio going up not down

Really excited to follow along this prep. Been following for probably over 5 years on here at this point. This one will be good 🔥

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Correct on the ip6 , keep it am

I take 6 caps vital am and that’s perfect , alongside 2 cals cure coming , and then I take another 2 caps cure coming in the evening . I don’t take telmisartan atm , I just don’t seem to need it , heart care and love heart do everything I need 🙂

Sorry if I missed something but You only take 6 caps of the vital in total in the morning? Or you take again pm? Appreciate your time

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Saturday – woke still feeling crappy but a tad better – have rested all day and focused on getting meals in.

Taking Arilena to halloween party tonight so needed to make sure I felt good for this.

some changes from AJ

Little more food on training days.

High days as is – lantus up to 40iu

2iu humalog in pre gym on normal training days.

Cycle now

900mg test

400mg EQ

400mg mast

Aromasin – once per week

GH – 4iu pre training only –

Hey Hilly, what’s the conversation happening around these multiple cycle fluctuations in the last few weeks?

Higher total mg, then dropped then back up.

Also more test now, is this from feedback your giving from feeling/estrogen? Just curious if there is rationale/discussion here or AJ is just changing things and you’re along for the ride.

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2000 ng/dl = to 69.4 nmol

This is something I’d expect from running 350 mg test personally, your test is under dosed so it makes sense why your estro would be lower as you aren’t actually running 500 imo

Explains why your estro is on the lower end.

Hey Kuba, as in noted above this is my level where 500mg puts me. I do bloods multiple times a year, including with pharmacy test. My levels are on the “lower side” from many others.

200mg puts me around 800, which some people that has 10-1200

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This is always the risk with cycles like this and why they baffle me so much as I see this so often.

Personally I would drop the mast down to 300 alongside the primo and bump the test to 600. Potentially 700 for initial 2-3 weeks to get a faster rise in E2

As nath says it makes no sense having E2 low unless there is a very specific reason

Appreciate the feedback and suggestions here Hilly. I’m aware this is a risk with the cycle design but I was surprised to see this estradiol result just based on previous combinations. Primo/mast effect my bloods very differently so doing the combo here in these doses is new territory.

Agree I want this estrogen to get up so changing immediately.

Thanks!

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Post a picture of your entire blood work what is your testosterone reading at ? Are you using anything else

Hey Kuba, my testosterone levels are 2000 as noted above. This is about double our high end of the reference range which I believe is higher than the scale the UK uses but this is where this test level is expected to put me. Also running 6iu GH, 15 Lantus. There’s always difficulties posting the photos, I’ll try again.

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your progesterone will be elevated as a result of your low E2, If your is a growing phase E2 is important for multiple functions, its cardio protective, sex drive, brain function, strength to name a few.

So my advice (depending how much runway you have to push the cycle) Is slightly alter the ratio of test to DHT in the cycle your currently 1:2 so bring it more in line with a 1:1 or somewhere in between and assess from there being mindful of any negative sides you may get. Always run your oestrogen as high as possible without negative side effects. Unless it’s for a cosmetic look close to a show.

Your progesterone will lower and balance out as your oestrogen elevates in my experience

Appreciate this advice and also the note on the relation of estrogen and progesterone. I was unaware of the interaction.

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Congrats on achieving the goals you set out for. Look was awesome!

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Rest – bodyweight maintained perfectly this week. I’m not feeling super fresh but at this point I never will lol

Sushi last night 265.6 so 0.4 drop – I had my usual plus a few pieces of special roll ( bluefin tuna & radish ) was incredible so refreshing!

Woke up hungry and pretty tight!

I do think my test dose probably needs to come down a touch based of how I’m feeling recently, I have been slowly bringing it up and I think max I can do is 500 without ai ( primo / mast modulate androgen to estrogen ratio ) but they do not directly act like an ai. I think a lot of guys and girls forget this.

I will see how I feel this week, if I feel lethargic like I have done this week Il pull it down a bit. We’ll see as I’m actually not holding much water at all. I have never had vascularity in my legs close to 270 and I have right now so I am pleased ( not content or happy lol )

I won’t let my self get much softer than I am now, my prep start point has to be tidy so I will still aim to go up 1 Lb / 1.5 max per week from here.

What are you feeling that is making you think the test is getting to high? I know everyone’s different but I would imagine your DHT load is quite high, I would assume 500 would be handled easily. Please do share some details if your open to what your feeling!

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Hey Kamara, see you’ve noted a decent weight drop there. What’s the current diet looking like/ recent changes?

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Thanks peter, but sorry I don’t speak or understand the English language lol, just read it.

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Also, will cover food 12-16 hours no issue.