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A huge percentage already don’t use them and buy from underground labs and then just run blood work regularly like you should anyway and it’s very cheap tbh

Yeah Jordan already said mentioned that previously in this thread Karama, due to my job and travelling that comes with it all my meds would have to be pharma and prescribed

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And to add – if you need to Clear this up then you are screwed in reality as not one person here can predict what any one will do in the future 🙂

or I would be more focused on predicting lottery numbers than what a TRT clinic may do

Just putting the lottery on as we speak 😉 lol

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Inflation will always be around. Which means Leger and other clinics will put up their prices each year as a response to rising costs. This is the same for Asda who will bump up the cost of your food. JP will put up the cost of his protein if it costs more to produce. Train companies will put up the cost of their tickets. You get what I am saying. Ultimately if these clinics put up the price too much patients will leave and go elsewhere so they are not going to put up the costs to the point that patients cannot afford to use their services.

I understand how inflation works thanks mate lol

I am more getting at the prices sky rocketing. from what i can see Leger is the only reasonably priced clinic, but if you have to pay for your own bloods and use test c or e even at Leger prices it can become quite expensive quite quickly .

Optimale is prices from £60 – £110 per month, (dont that even includes bloods) if Leger decided to go in line with them then 100s if not 1000s of people could find themselves paying £1300 (approx) per year, if you required trt for the next 35 year for in stance thats £46000 , that is quite alarming to me..[/quote]

Based on the fact that most people would not be able to afford this I could never se it happening.

Remember any business needs to stay in line with what customers can afford.

this truly feels to me like trying to find something to worry about that is likely never going to exist TBH.

Also did you factor in that if you were left with a completely shut down HPTA axis then the NHS would simply prescribe you TRT ? And there would be nothing to worry about at all ? [/quote]
That is exactly the kind of reply i was looking for .

And maybe what you said about the NHS prescribing is something that i could consider later down the line. If i started TRT now then i years to come maybe i persuade my GP to prescribe, if i said i could not afford or no longer had an option of private clinic.

Great input as always Peter , thanks again mate 🙂

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Inflation will always be around. Which means Leger and other clinics will put up their prices each year as a response to rising costs. This is the same for Asda who will bump up the cost of your food. JP will put up the cost of his protein if it costs more to produce. Train companies will put up the cost of their tickets. You get what I am saying. Ultimately if these clinics put up the price too much patients will leave and go elsewhere so they are not going to put up the costs to the point that patients cannot afford to use their services.

I understand how inflation works thanks mate lol
I am more getting at the prices sky rocketing. from what i can see Leger is the only reasonably priced clinic, but if you have to pay for your own bloods and use test c or e even at Leger prices it can become quite expensive quite quickly .

Optimale is prices from £60 – £110 per month, (dont that even includes bloods) if Leger decided to go in line with them then 100s if not 1000s of people could find themselves paying £1300 (approx) per year, if you required trt for the next 35 year for in stance thats £46000 , that is quite alarming to me..

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I would just buy my own and take it and run my own blood work …. Bottle of test costs £30 , and last you 20 weeks on trt dose…..

Hi Jordan ,
Thanks for reply, that would be the easiest and best option but due to my job , travelling and baggage searches, all meds would have to be prescribed if i was found with something that is not then i could be in a world of shit.

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If pharmaceutical companies stop producing testosterone then it’s because the world as ended so you won’t need to worry about it.

I am not saying might they stop producing, i am asking whats stopping these pharmacies and clinics sky rocketing their prices in the future and having all those that use private TRT on a string?

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Having gone through this process with many clients I would say if your worried about it and debating it then dont do it.

You should be 100% certain this is the best decision for yourself before going ahead as you will only continue to stress and question it IME.

for me personally there is no way I would sit at 8-10 when I can healthy sit at 30-40 – just makes 0 sense. However I now have a little girl and wont be having any more children so the fertility thing is not a concern at all.

The only other thing to add- just because you felt better on cycle before and happy doesn’t mean you will feel the same on TRT from a clinic. They are not going to be putting you any were near the levels I imagine you were at when you felt like that.

Thanks for your reply mate..

I am basically just covering all options now before make the jump.

Considering following a PCT protocol to attempt to bring my nat levels to a better place.

I know what you are saying about differences between being on cycle and TRT . Last time i used AAS i was using 300mg Test U e21d and i felt great, making really good progress in gym and just generally felt good all of the time. Leger willing to prescribe 160 mg sust twice a week !

One of the biggest things in my mind that makes me want to start TRT is thought of knowing you only live once so i should do so feeling the best i possibly i can . Just worried that i could run into more problems further down the line from TRT and by that point it could be too late to turn back..

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Hi I am with Leger so just to give you some thoughts. Yes they can offer HCG along with your testosterone protocol, something you should discuss with your doctor. I have two kids, 44 yrs old and a vasectomy so HCG wasn’t something I opted for. As for how he functions? He is like a rabbit’s nose some days!

Don’t expect to be on large doses of Test. I am on 100mg per week split over two doses. It took six months of blood tests to be satisfied this is the level for me. What the test does is take me back to the test levels I should have naturally produced rather than give me amazing test levels. Leger are strict on protocols so they will not increase dosages without blood tests.

Whilst my protocol may seem low, gone are the aches and pains from low test. Gone is the poor mental health from low test. My body fat is reducing as I am sorting out my diet. Happiness has increased at the same time as my love for the gym. I will be honest, one downside for me is the fact that I am up for it multiple times per day. My partner has noticed it but my forearms get in their exercises.

I have learnt that the first 12 months cost the lost in terms of blood tests and dialling in but if your GP is willing to do your blood tests for you then that is money saved.

Ultimately it is your decision as to whether you want to start TRT. It is not for everyone and some people will come off and do a PCT to try to recover their natural levels. For me I have chosen this route as the sides from low test were just too much for me to manage. Don’t rush your decision and get as much advice as you can. Ask as many questions of your doctor as you need so you’re as informed as you can be when you do decide what to do.

Thanks for your reply mate, what were you levels before you started TRT and how bad were you symptoms? Could you give some examples?

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At 35 it’s only going to go downhill from here, this is why I always try to put anyone off from using any PEDS unless you are prepared to use trt for life for quality of health and actually keeping a healthy range of test it’s key.

Low

Test is just as deleterious to health as running above and beyond to what your body would

Produce.

It’s a no brainer, do what you need to do to stay healthy both physically and mentally

Thanks for reply, so by what youve said are meaning “do what you need to do” as in start TRT to put test levels in or start a PCT to put test levels in range?

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I’m with Keira. I’d say there’s a high chance it will come back after 16 months if you are patient and anal with your protocol

So you think i followed a PCT and gave it another 16 months there would a high chance id recover to good levels is that what your saying mate?

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I’d opt to seeing if a robust pct will do the trick, the best option will be feeling good and not having to pin yourself for life and a robust pct may give you that option, so it’s worth a try

Thanks Kiera, in an ideal world i like try to TRT to see how much of an improvement it makes to my well being. If i dont try then i think
I will be living my life always thinking what if..
But yes you do have a valid point and maybe i should try a pct before taking the jump to TRT, my brains are fried trying make a decision lol

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Hi Damo, I am with Leger. As JP says it doesn’t matter. They cover for one another when on leave etc and work together to support patients. I’ve read your other thread on TRT. I would advise you to write down questions you want to ask at your consultation. Doesn’t matter how many questions you have, it is your time to talk with a doctor and get the answers you need to make an informed decision around your health.

Yes i plan to do so mate 👍🏻

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Any , zero diff , it all ends the same

Ok thanks Jordan

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Thanks for replying Kuba, dont plan to run any cycles in a hurry if i did then would probably just add an oral on top of TRT dose for holidays etc but no plans to compete or run heavy cycles. Jst want to do whatever is going to be best for health and well being long term. And of course whatever is going to be best for my progression in the gym / physique

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You can always come off, run a full Pct and focus on restoring HPTA which as Kiera says is very possible for alot of people.

Noted, thanks Peter 🙂