[Damo]

huge range of potential causes, from low estrogen to seratonin, what dosage are you cruising on

I was jabbing 1000mg test U (nebido) e21d from mid june to mid December.

Mid December i dropped down to 300mg Test U e21d.

I am starting to feel quite concerned and praying it is just the change in dose which is causing this and that i am not causing any serious problems for further down the line.

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Is there a reason for the test U

I feel it causes a lot more hormone swings etc than others.

Have you had bloods done [/quote]
I work away 21 days at a time so this allows me to just jab day i go away and day i arrive home. I felt fine on the higher dose but since dropping down the forgetfulness etc began.

I have full bloods booked for a couple weeks time when i arrive home . I suppose until i have bloods taken there is no way of knowing what could be causing the issue?

Thanks again for reply mate.

[Damo]

huge range of potential causes, from low estrogen to seratonin, what dosage are you cruising on

I was jabbing 1000mg test U (nebido) e21d from mid june to mid December.

Mid December i dropped down to 300mg Test U e21d.

I am starting to feel quite concerned and praying it is just the change in dose which is causing this and that i am not causing any serious problems for further down the line.

[Damo]

I suffered from brain fog for 2-3 years, and kind of gotten used to taking naps throughout the day to feel a bit normal. Not motivated to do anything. Libido went down, was dealing with depression.
First injection of test resolved that problem. Might be related to what you’re experiencing.
Maybe your gear is underdosed, bloodwork would verify that.

Thanks for your reply Anthony, i have full bloods booked for a
Couple of weeks time so will see what my results say.

[Damo]

Hi Max,

Thanks for you reply. I dont split the dose, test U (nebido) has a really long half life, i use it to allow me to pin less often as i work away and cannot gear with me.

I will drop both the adex and nolva and see how bloods look in 3-4 weeks time then adjust test dosage accordingly.

Hopefully have not gyno issues between now and getting bloods done ??

[Damo]

Try 300

Mg and see where your bloods are taking your test at with this, if it’s in higher range keep there if it’s lower take to 375.

Perfect thank you Kuba i will do that mate ??

[Damo]

1000mg? Of what?

I would drop to trt personally, health comes 1st over everything

1000mg of test U (nebido) every 21 days (so approximately 333mg per week).

I work away for 21 days at a time and wanted to try cycling this way as it saves so much hassle as to cycling other ways that i have tried in the past.

I am definitely going to drop down to a cruise dose. Thanks for your reply mate ??

[Damo]

Anyone?

[Damo]

Agree with kuba.

Continue as you are in your situation and adapt based on bloods

Thanks for your reply mate, i am thinking maybe i should drop down to cruise dose and get bloods done (looking like 10th jan is earliest)

I might drop to a cruise dose from getting home in 21 days time and remain at a cruise dose for a few month or until blood work is good before going back on higher dose next summer.

What do you think?

[Damo]

Anyone else have any advice please? ??

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Thank you for your reply Kuba 🙂 feel absolutely fine mate.

I will run bloods asap but like i said it is looking like it will not be until the new year due to being away until 21st December.

I have discussed previously on these forums and i understand the cycle is less than ideal but due to working away 21 days at a time it is the best option in my opinion.

JP mentioned previously about getting privately prescribed TRT which would allow me to travel with gear legally. So i am looking into this for future cycles.

Would you suggest i continue cycling as i am until i have bloods done ? Baring in mind it may be another 5-6 weeks before i can do so?

[Damo]

Drop dosage down to 30 mg you’ll get all the benefits with no issues

No need to go this high if your anavar is real

Really? So i will still get the same muscle building benefits with 30mg as i would at 100mg? I only planned on running the var for 4 weeks prior to a holiday hence the higher dose

[Damo]

Hey Damo, just a few thoughts for you.

Firstly, it seems that the Anavar is the independent variable here, as acknowledged. So the obvious thing would be to reduce the dosage or stop taking it.

However, I’m sure you’re focused on building muscle, so you do not want to stop taking it yet.

Anavar is excitatory and can create states of anxiety, possibly through inhibiting GABA signalling. The fact you are getting to sleep but not staying asleep suggests that there may be an issue with serotonin converting to melatonin through the night.

You may be able to fix this with vitamin b5 (Pantothenic Acid), but I doubt you are deficient in this as it’s high in typical bodybuilding foods.

Zinc is another mineral that is important for melatonin production through the night. Again you should be getting ample in your diet, but many people claim to benefit from supplementing with it.

This one is pure speculation, but you may have a poor conversion of tryptophan to serotonin. For example, suppose you are in a stressed state with higher immune activity (can be brought on by anabolics). Rather than tryptophan converting to serotonin, it can go down the kynurenine pathway. Meaning that you have insufficient serotonin to convert to melatonin to keep you asleep through the night.

Your dopamine may be too high as a result of using Anavar. I can not remember the nutritional/supplementation recommendations for clearing dopamine. I believe it has something to do with magnesium and the comt enzyme. Have a read up on this as it may be advantageous to you.

Is your room blacked out? It has been shown that blue light exposure between 1-5am boosts dopamine and severely disrupts sleep. The easy fix here is to wear an eye mask.

Assuming you do not have sleep apnea, you could try mouth taping. Nasal only breathing helps “calm” your nervous system and may help keep you asleep.

Is your room cool enough?

Do you supplement with magnesium?

I hope some of this is useful to you.

Good luck,

Ste

Wow thanks a lot for that post mate, i am 100% sure that the issue is from the anavar as it is only variable that changed, my diet, training and room/sleeping conditions are exactly the same, room is blacked out and i wear ear plugs. Usually sleep great, just since adding in Var that i am having issues.

I do no supplement with magnesium nor zinc for that matter.
Do you think i should try adding in some ZMA and see if that remedies it?

[Damo]

I’m not a fan of that drug choice but can understand why your using it

It maybe best to simply run test e, take your shots EOD and then come off test for 3 weeks ( will still be active during that time ) and while not taking test , take your oral , so then that’s run 3 weeks on 3 weeks off – this will see much less chance of gyno

Don’t take a bolus shot of test e before you go away, your oral will tick you over no problem, or one step better , get yourself set up with private trt and legally be able to take 1 shot of test with you per week for when your away ?

Hi Jordan,

Thankyou for your speedy reply. Thanks for the advice, the suggestion of setting up private trt is a good one and something i will look into .

I have tried similar cycles to what you have suggested using test E and never felt great towards the end of the 3 weeks off. Cycling test U like i am now i feel great throughout, no dips in mood or energy at all, i feel great. Just the gyno issue ?

For now if at all possible i would prefer to continue with the test U. And see this cycle out. Could i jab the first 1000mg today , continue with Ralox at 60mg pd and 0.5mg eod adex and get bloods next week and adjust AI accordingly from there or would really suggest against that?

Thanks again ?

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It very much could be the oral.

I would continue with the test. No oral

Asses from here to see what’s what [/quote]
Thank you for your reply mate, i will do that.
As Jordan
Suggested as well i will continue with adex at 0.5mg pd and also keep the ralox in.
Will get bloods 2 weeks frm now and see where i am at.
Just praying the gyno settles down now im using adex ??

[Damo]

Proviron imo isn’t a Wise choice here , you will crush shbg into lower than low numbers and will barely impact the gyno imo

The adex will suffice totally here imo to get things under control , let the adex have a couple weeks in before blood work

Excellent, i will do just that. Thank you for your replies. I will let you know how i get on 🙂

[Damo]

Turinabol could be something else, a cheaper, aromatizing compound.

If you keep on with the Test U, a suicide inhibitor could be a better choice. 25mg of aromasin could handle the aromatization occuring after the bolus injection. You could try this after you fixed the gyno.

With that much arimidex and ralox, the gyno should go away eventually. If you have proviron on hand, that could also help speed up the process.

I don’t know where and how you travel for work. But I have had issues bringing gear with me.

Thanks for that my friend.

I have been nexus labs tbol which is usually pretty good orals i have never had or seen any bad reviews..

I do not have proviron on hand but i can get some if it would be beneficial.

I will not go into much detail about my work but i will say it would be very risky taking gear away we go through a baggage search and i could lose my job if they found gear. Orals ok as can put them in vit tubs.

Would you suggest i order aromasin and use that as to Adex? The adex i have on hand is Pharma grade..