[Freddie Baker]

There is no issues with that total mg for most, the way most look a a cruise or trt + as some like to call it is usually around the 300mg total mark, for most people they can keep blood work in a perfect place on that total load no issues.

its then just about splitting the dose that works best for keeping your hormones/E2 were you want it.

personally for me 150mg test and 100mg primo would drive E2 to low but I have a client that sits perfect on it. You just need to figure out were you sit best

Thank you Peter,. Appreciated as always

If the 150 T:100 P ratio Would knock E2 too low, would you increase the test to 200mg + 100mg primo to keep within the max 300mg weekly amount or keep test at 150mg and lower primo to avoid adverse effects of cardiovascular fitness – seeing as thats a priority atm?

[Freddie Baker]

Why does she feel she needs a GLP to aid fat loss ?

Has she struggled to diet before due to adherence? Any other possible health issues ?

I would honestly spend the first 6-12 weeks focusing on solid nutrition and exercise. I would then run bloods to assess were her hormones and thyroid is post pregnancy as these things tend to be off in a lot of people.

If she sticks a GLP in straight away and under eats on top of these issues it could turn into a bit of a shit show so to speak and end up in a terrible place when she stops them. Hunger spikes and body is in an even worse place than it was to begin with.

Hi Peter, yes in the past diet adherence has always been an issue, certainly around emotional connection to food. But I think the main issue is body confidence or perception post birth – so I think she wanted the GLP to get in a position where she feels comfortable to leave the house and return to the gym.

From my end, post feedback from this thread ive sort pelvic floor info etc and recovery and will try my hardest to support. But I will relay the message about the necessary timelines and will book bloods & MRI at the 12 week mark.

Thank you

[Freddie Baker]

Initially I would focus on healing before fat loss. For the first six weeks, stick to light walking, breath work and pelvic floor activation. Avoid any heavy lifting or high impact exercise. Once she is cleared at her postnatal check, she can then gradually rebuild strength with simple core exercises and increase her walking pace and duration. From around 12 weeks, most people can return to more intense training with strength work and low impact cardio. For fat loss, I would see what she can do with a sustainable calorie deficit first before considering introducing any drugs or medication. Keep protein high with plenty of nutritious fruits and veg. Her body has just gone through an incredible, but very disruptive experience, there’s no need to rush.[/quote

Thank you, what pelvic floor work would you recommend?

[Freddie Baker]

Hello mate, totally agree with Clare here.
Her body needs to heal. I would NOT do a deficit, but a body recomposition first.
Light training first and VERY IMPORTANT, she has to do an MRI to check if she got a diastasis recti !!!! Can happen post pregnancy and the results will define the process later on.
First move for me is the MRI. She will need to strengthen pelvic floor anyway but if she got a diastasis; this could take 6months to 1year until being able to focus on weight training.
So confortable diet, physiotherapist regularly to help her with pelvic floor, hypopressives to help with inner abs, and MRI.

Oh that’s fascinating thank you! Would it have to go private for the MRI, or is it something the maternity ward would facilitate through the NHS?

Ill seek out a specialist trainer for the above, do you have any recommendations – or do you offer it yourself

[Freddie Baker]

Im in exactly the same boat! My Son is 5 days old and has spent most of that time in hospital!

I dropped my down to TRT test @ 150mg weekly cyp – split into daily shots alongside my 2mg of weekly reta. I just couldn’t see the point in running anymore, when for the next few weeks ill be fighting for sleep and maintaining my gym work at best!

When I can train properly again the primo will go back in!

Love to hear peoples thoughts on this and how others dealt with new borns

I’ve actually held performance really good and actually progressed on some movements
I said once baby is here I’ll just re access my movements and progressing nicely .
But sleep is the worst part
Do you think 150mg is just safest thing to do so ?[/quote]

I based my TRT of an initial recommendation from Peter on here, I then ran bloods to assess the dose and it put me right in the sweet spot!

I was also coming off recovery for a hair transplant and other surgeries so training volume was low.

I just couldn’t justify the additional compounds when sleep, training etc was going to be sub par – like you said, ill get as much out the gym as I can atm with the aim of maintaining numbers & fitness – whetever or not that means lower volume or less exercises etc or saying i can 100% stick to 3 gym sessions a week, so ill take consistency for now. Then primo will come back once I can really push my S&C work and be on a proper program

[Freddie Baker]

Im in exactly the same boat! My Son is 5 days old and has spent most of that time in hospital!

I dropped my down to TRT test @ 150mg weekly cyp – split into daily shots alongside my 2mg of weekly reta. I just couldn’t see the point in running anymore, when for the next few weeks ill be fighting for sleep and maintaining my gym work at best!

When I can train properly again the primo will go back in!

Love to hear peoples thoughts on this and how others dealt with new borns

[Freddie Baker]

Primo is a derivative, it’s not DHT, so adding it in, especially at 100mg, isn’t going to negatively impact your hair. I’d still wait to add anything over test until you’re back in the gym though. If you’re wanting to ensure there are no speed bumps, don’t change anything just now in your hair recovery.

Perfect thank you for that Andy, is it advised to wait the full 30 days before returning to the gym?

[Freddie Baker]

They will most likely tell you to stop all PEDs assuming you’ve been honest with them. I was on TRT at the time anyway, so I just stayed on that, and added in 2IU/GH as I knew this would help with healing. They’re most likely just covering their end by telling you to come off everything, rather than it impacting the transplant itself.

How long post transplant did you stay on just TRT? Also did you wait the full month before returning to the gym?

[Freddie Baker]

This isn’t medical advice since I’m no doctor, and hopefully someone else has a better more accurate answer but if it was me, I’d drop down to trt and remove everything else just to be safe. Hormones / meds effect a lot chemical reactions and actions in our body so when it comes to surgery I’d rather let the body run its course or at least just use the drugs that aid in that surgery / recovery

I like that plan thank you, I think dropping to TRT for 2-4 weeks sounds logical

[Freddie Baker]

They will most likely tell you to stop all PEDs assuming you’ve been honest with them. I was on TRT at the time anyway, so I just stayed on that, and added in 2IU/GH as I knew this would help with healing. They’re most likely just covering their end by telling you to come off everything, rather than it impacting the transplant itself.

I told them I was on TRT, but I didnt mention the primo – would you advise just sticking to a TRT 150mg dose of only test for 2 weeks whilst I heal and the grafts implant?

Im worried by coming off everything for 2 weeks id throw my hormones out of whack! Admittedly ive done this poorly and probably should have dropped down sooner or come off and PCT whilst I had the procedure

[Freddie Baker]

Daily doses if goal is fat loss

If it’s mostly appetite

One larger dose in one

Hi kuba,

From Peters voice note – I will run it at 1.2mg weekly – split into 4 x 0.3 jabs as it makes the maths nice and easy ln the syringe!

[Freddie Baker]

I would start with 1mg per week split into 3 doses and then asses as you go. If feel the need to titrate up I would work up slowly.

For example

1.3mg
1.6mg
1.9mg

Would you titrate the doses up weekly via the jumps youve mentioned assuming no issues, until you hit the 2mg mark?

[Freddie Baker]

I would start with 1mg per week split into 3 doses and then asses as you go. If feel the need to titrate up I would work up slowly.

For example

1.3mg
1.6mg
1.9mg

Thank you, other than injecting pre bed – what can I take to minimise the reported stomach issues and acid that reta gives. Would a prebiotic aid in the slow bowel transition that causes the bloat etc

[Freddie Baker]

Have you had this prior to running anabolics or just since you have run them?

I would take a guess and say ive had this for years, as especially my stomach issues predated me taking anabolics

[Freddie Baker]

Fantastic stuff from Adam here and i fully agree.

i would also be going back to docs/surgeon if you still dont have the feeling in the foot back properly and think they have nicked a nerve or something to be honest.

Hi Peter,

I did speak to the surgeon and it would be interesting to get your take on what he said. I had feeling in my big toe, just not the rest of my foot. He told me to just wait, the feeling will return on its own it’ll just take months to years.

I didnt know enough to debate this, but it doesnt sit right with me