[Freddie Baker]

having been helping people with fertility for a while now me first opinion is to come off everything, run a PCT and focus on full HPTA axis recovery – this if all goes well is the most sure fire way of making sure fertility becomes good and stays good. If it was good initially obviously.

However if some one prefers to do this when on a TRT/cruise dose set up then you will need.

HMG – 75iu MWF for the duration until conception
HCG – 500-1000iu tues/thurs/sat – as above

I would suggest reading my journal on here as I documents my full process in regards to fixing my sperm issues post use both in terms of coming off and during a TRT set up.

There is also a pretty good video on my IG called – how I fixed my sperm and others you will find useful –

Key decision is tho if you want to come off or stay on – accepting that staying on means you need the above drugs in general for the entire process –

The other thing is timing is so person depending – I have ran fertility protocols with some clients and there partners have fell within 8-10 weeks while on cruise doses – others such as myself have taken 6-12 months.

all you can do is focus on what you can control and thats getting your sperm in the best position possible – After this its letting nature take its course.

Remember natural conception for couples that have never used any AAS and with no issues is 6-12 months of trying in general

Hi Peter,

I’m implementing your advice as we speak. I forgot to ask, would I need an AI like proviron due to the HCG&HMG

Thanks

[Freddie Baker]

having been helping people with fertility for a while now me first opinion is to come off everything, run a PCT and focus on full HPTA axis recovery – this if all goes well is the most sure fire way of making sure fertility becomes good and stays good. If it was good initially obviously.

However if some one prefers to do this when on a TRT/cruise dose set up then you will need.

HMG – 75iu MWF for the duration until conception
HCG – 500-1000iu tues/thurs/sat – as above

I would suggest reading my journal on here as I documents my full process in regards to fixing my sperm issues post use both in terms of coming off and during a TRT set up.

There is also a pretty good video on my IG called – how I fixed my sperm and others you will find useful –

Key decision is tho if you want to come off or stay on – accepting that staying on means you need the above drugs in general for the entire process –

The other thing is timing is so person depending – I have ran fertility protocols with some clients and there partners have fell within 8-10 weeks while on cruise doses – others such as myself have taken 6-12 months.

all you can do is focus on what you can control and thats getting your sperm in the best position possible – After this its letting nature take its course.

Remember natural conception for couples that have never used any AAS and with no issues is 6-12 months of trying in general

Perfect thank you Peter for such a detailed response! I’ll do all the above – greatly appreciated!

[Freddie Baker]

Are you coming off everything?

I’m very open to advice from those who know more than me!

I fully understand being totally off cycle would help Fertility. If it could be done whilst on cycle, I would Personally prefer this. But I can’t have my cake and eat it. So I would base my decision off what I’m advised here

[Freddie Baker]

Mast imo doesn’t lower estrogen as much as primo does

Primo I find gives a much fuller look and generally see more out of it

Some just cannot tolerate it and some do better with mast so this is where you simply trail and error and workout what’s best for you.

IMO primo is worth it I get 10x more from it mg for mg, both have diff properties so I run a small amount of mast but mostly primo alongside ( my personal experience )

I trail both with clients and see what they feel best off ( also take into account affordability and availability )

Brilliant thank you for the advise

[Freddie Baker]

Hey brother, I would run primo or mast alongside of it.

Both compounds offer a lot when it comes to performance and no additional warer + some control of estrogen from test use

Cycle length imo should be dictated by bloods / goals to a degree 12-20 weeks in some guys I generally run bloods at end of planned cycle if bloods come back good and they aren’t fat / still progressing we extend

Sounds reasonable what you have in your mind

In terms of my cruise dose before going back on cycle I was thinking 400mg of total weekly androgens spilt 200mg of test C and 200mg of primo – from reading what people have said on here I like the effect primo has on E2 – joints etc with work/lifestyle.

Would this be a total weekly dose you would be happy for someone to cruise on or would you want to see it higher/lower.

I’d probably let my body have 4 months cruising

Then 12-20 weeks as you suggested with 300mg test & 300mg primo with the potential for trying mast

None of this sounds too crazy?