[Greg]

Mate I can see how passionate you are about this and that is genuinely a great quality to have. But reading through the thread I think you have fallen into a trap that a lot of people do when they start going deep on peptides and research compounds. You have consumed so much information from so many different sources that instead of getting clarity you have ended up more confused than when you started.

They are called research peptides for a reason. There is no definitive protocol. There is no universally agreed approach. What we have is a sensible thought process, some emerging data, and a lot of individual experimentation. The most valuable information comes from people who have actually used these compounds and tracked how they felt and performed. Jordan, Hilly, me etc….Not from threads where ten different people give ten different opinions.

So fully agree with Jordan and Hilly.

Stop. Reset. Strip it right back.

Me personally, I would run Urolithin A for four weeks on its own. It supports mitochondrial quality through a process called mitophagy, essentially clearing out damaged mitochondria and allowing healthier ones to take over.

For an endurance athlete who also wants to stay lean it is one of the most well evidenced compounds available and it gives your mitochondria a clean baseline to work from before you start adding anything on top.

Once that is done, add one thing. Just one. Run it for four to six weeks, pay attention to how you feel, how you perform, and how your body composition responds. Then assess and decide whether to keep it or move on.

For your goals as an endurance athlete who wants to stay lean, MOTS-C would be my first addition after the Urolithin A reset.

It improves mitochondrial efficiency, fat oxidation, and endurance capacity simultaneously. It is directly relevant to everything you are trying to achieve.

That is it to start with. tracked properly. Everything else can wait until you have actual personal data to work from rather than other people’s opinions.

Thankyou Nathan.

You’ve summed me up in one there, I’m just so passionate about things and so competitive that it’s consumed me and I’ve overloaded myself with that much info I’ve come in and started from all angles.

Big love guys, sorry for all the spam 🙂

[Greg]

Fair do Jordan , like I said I’m passionate about things which is probably coming across the wrong to you guys.

Apologies if I’ve annoyed you and others, wasn’t my intention at all.

[Greg]

If I was to sit you down like they do on Mastermind, and ask you random questions about popular/known peptides, would you be confident that you’d score above 75% in the round?

Yes … I’d concentrate on your own training and physique bud before trying to dig me out.[/quote]

I’m not digging you out. I’m trying in my own way to get onto your level, but that’s cool. Enjoy your peptide research. 🙂[/quote]
What do you mean get on my level?

I don’t get what your trying to achieve from commenting other than trying to be little me?

[Greg]

Retatrutide is more likely to hinder endurance performance than help it. It’s used primarily for appetite suppression, rapid weight loss and slowed digestion, which will directly reduce the energy availability your training depends on. It will become difficult to eat enough to maintain glycogen stores and support recovery. The fast weight loss properties will increase the risk of losing lean mass and the slower gastric emptying will also make fuelling longer sessions harder.

Your body adapts to endurance work through energy availability, muscle repair and a cumulative training load, so this should be your main focus. I realise that peptides are exciting and can by all means be used to your advantage, but the way you seem to be approaching this is a ‘throw everything in at once’ approach, which will be counter productive and impossible to know what’s doing what. Take out what you don’t need and take a slow, steady approach.

Thanks Clare for the response.

I’m going to give it a week following what I’m doing , but drastically ramp up my carbs , as like you said performance comes from have RAE to use. I will use a lot of liquid carbs + Electrolytes around workouts and see how I fare over the next 7 days. My Food noise has dropped, but i have no problem eating or getting food in still.

I’ve spoken in depth to quite a few runners who have been using Reta and have said that the first 4 week its common to see a drop off in performance, but with finding the right level of carbs + Fuel for them , then have mitigated the drop off and have still been managing to drop weight whilst maintaining + increasing performance from the other benefits Reta brings.

Then I’ve got my other peptides to aid performance , but again some of them increase the drain glycogen so its going to be a case of finding the right balance of increasing performance, but dropping weight which is my goal.

What i will say is that over the last 3 weeks since starting, I’ve dropped a fair amount of weight and am noticeable leaner, however that’s been too much of a trade off for performance.

[Greg]

If I was to sit you down like they do on Mastermind, and ask you random questions about popular/known peptides, would you be confident that you’d score above 75% in the round?

Yes … I’d concentrate on your own training and physique bud before trying to dig me out.

[Greg]

Hilly , your digging me out bad here. Im intrigued and very interested in this stuff. All I want is to become the best I can be at what I want to do , if I come across over interested or asking so much , its only because I care and im so passioniate about reaching my goals.

It’s hard when theres so much information on the internet that conflicts things, thats the base of my point.

Its like I’ve tried to go 3 avenues all in one go.

I’m not in a huge mess, I’m just trying to find what will work best for me.

I’ve had a dip the last 2 weeks in performance simple as and I’m trying my best to find what’s caused is so I can correct it , and that’s the help im asking for.

So finally i think the problem has come from introducing reta and the other peps , which has ramped my metobolism , and ability to burn fuel far greater than im putting it in , which has killed my performance.

Would you guys agree with that?

So moving forward , ramp up the carbs for performance and keep things as they are peptide and dosing wise , and see how the next week goes.

If nothing changes then I’ll take out Reta full stop.

Thanks Greg.

[Greg]

My reasons was my food noise was crazy, thinking about food constantly.

I cant get my BW down , I’ve tried dropping calories, I’ve tried resting, I’ve stopped lifting weights etc.

Generally unhappy with how things are in my life.

Felt like it was a good choice to add in.

Would a large increase in my carbs help do you think , or is it best to just come off it , and utilize the other peptides I’ve got?

[Greg]

From my understanding , would it be that basically it drains your body by depletes glycogen a lot faster than normal?

So its either drop it out completely for me , or increase my carbohydrate intake to combat this?

Sorry for this guys, its just something driving me crazy, I’m so passionate about becoming the best I can be , I want to explore all avenues etc.

Thanks greg

[Greg]

+ the majority of people who I’ve asked have said that ss31 is essential to run before mots – c , the basically clean the engine up , then mots -c to fuel the engine.

So confusing lol!

Sorry to be a pest guys!

[Greg]

I think what I did was completely overload my mitochondria and ended up with fatigue etc.

I’ve stripped things back now to compete basic , the Urolithin supplement from proforma , and mots c 1mg daily along with Reta 1mg total a week split 3 x.

Also things like coq10 has been mentioned to help with oxidative stress etc , where do you reccomend looking for that from? Vitamin c , magnesium etc I already use from your website.

Also hilly , from reading , SLU-pp I think isn’t a great option for me.

I think it’s just draining from my system, seems to be more suited for people doing a lot less expenditure rather than someone like myself doing 2 + hours endurance training a day?

Thoughts?

[Greg]

Based on what you have posted about your heavy legged feedback , just take 1mg mots c per day for the next week with urolithin A and see how you feel

Agreed Jordan. That’s what I’ve done since Sunday.

[Greg]

Friday 13th March.

Easy 10km shakeout run , nothing much to report today.

Feel a little run down for some reason, hopefully it passes for Sunday.

[Greg]

Rest day today for me

Morning of work then headed to the gym for cardio and a chunk of steps

Home more work then dog walk and school run

Updated diet now

Meal 1 75g oats 55g whey 15g dark choc 150g raspberries

Meal 2 160g chicken breast 70g jasmine rice 200g beetroot

Meal 3 85g cream of rice 45g whey 20g dark choc

Meal 4 150g chicken. 100g peppers

Meal 5 200g potato 150g 5% steak mince 200g mushrooms

Do you use any sauces at the minute?

And how long do you leave between meals

[Greg]

Nicely Explained mate 🙂

DADA looks a very interesting prospect aswell, some decent reviews on YouTube. Not yet spoke to anyone who’s used it though.

[Greg]

Thursday 12th March.

Mini session AM – 2 sets of 3k (2min jog rest) into 10 x 300m (45s rest)

Priming for Sunday.

PM was 45 mins easy on the watt bike ( 125AV HR)

Morning Weight for the Last 2 days has been 13 stone 4lbs.

I want to take off a Stone almost from where I’m at now. Should Yield massive Performance Benefits.