[Hilly]

There is n error with that test defo.

Estro couldn’t be that low with test that high

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declan white wrote:

just out of curiosity. What are you weighing to be running doses like this? just recently jumped to the dark side and that seems a mental amount of gear.

Not heavy enough to be honest, and yes it is a lot of gear, but I wanted to push and went against common sense, and as you can tell from the post, it bit me back haha! Don’t advocate doses like these and certainly won’t go there again, at least not without another 30lbs of muscle on me!

Heaviest I have been is 122kg, but previous stage weight was just over 96kg ????

Ive just done the same myself mate,

Tried to see how much I could gain in just a 6 month off season the n prep to see what I was left with stage weight wise after 10-11 months.

I pushed gear up to around 2000mg or just over

forced food daily – gh and some slin

all can be seen in my log

might be left with 5-6lb stage gain – is this good for a year – yeh its ok but ive helped clients with better genetics make a lot more.

so I learnt a valuable lesson – I cant outwork and out drug my genetic potential to gain muscle. just be patient and consistent and work hard

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No its not essential.

It can be beneficial depending on you, your goal and body type.

amounts would be considered after the above was taken into account

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I have always used medichecks buddy with no issues.

I go to a BMI private clinic for blood drawn local to me through medichecks. bloods are back within the week and they even have a graphing system on there site so you can monitor changes along side your own notes etc.

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Hello buddy.

Just saw your post in another thread about you running oxy and halo into a show which as it happens im just doing for the first time.

Ive used one or the other on myself and clients but never together.

Do you drop your test out into the show and let the oxy give the fullness aspect?

do you find you need to increase or decrease AI for this.

I was contemplating upping my test and AI and trying to come in freaky lol but not sure if it will just back fire on my ass lmao.

Not by much just test from 350 to 500. My other option was to drop it down to the usual 150mg I run last 3 weeks into a show

interested in your thoughts.

good to here some one else has ran the oxy and halo together successfully.

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30mg 2w out in combination with 75 oxa which started 4w out

Im trialing this for this show coming up.

I didn’t know if you would get the benefit of running both.

I was looking at 50mg oxy which I added last week.
30mg halo I will be adding this week.

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Oscar hit it.

However the pump is a mechanism of growth and recovery and we should be getting some form of pump per say no matter what. Maybe not our usual one.

Even on keto I get a bit of a pump. Have you at a couple of days at maintenance over the 8 week period or the odd higher carb day to replenish glycogen etc.

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30-50mg max for 3-4 weeks max is My opinion.

depends on person and there history/previous blood work as well as lab used and if I think there stuff is accurately dosed or ive seen results of stuff under dosed.

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why would you lower your AI ?

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depends what the reading is?

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chest and biceps last night – was decent session but my pec sore today but more in a painful sore way. Luckily am booked in for Upper body deep tissue 2moro morning.

Weight 205.25 today down from 207 last Friday check in day

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I’m 26 years old, bloods at end of cycle showed test total at 5500 on a 250-1100 scale. Gear used on cycle is from same lab as test C on cruise

Been running 150mg test C per week this cruise. 6 weeks in.

Obv we want to keep our test levels at something considered average , and here I am very low. How should I interpret this ? That my body needs bigger cruise dose or ? Is this normal ?

either your gear is bunk or your a poor responder to test

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I just always use a scoop.

1.5 for legs.

this has gotten me through keto diet and right to 3 weeks out so far. cant see why I would need more to be honest its a high dosed product and not bloody cheap lol.

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So currently in a cruise – 250mg Test E per week. I cruised early as I felt my body was getting too toxic as I pushed the AAS higher than I previously have, appetite was shot and general wellbeing was low.

I’ll be starting a new blast in 2-3 weeks. My original plan was:
750 Test
787.5 NPP (just how the dosing worked out I’m not that anal haha)
And 700 Primo

Now I’m wondering if the addition of primo was what pushed me over the edge last time, As total MGs were high as I was running primo at 900mg.

Despite primo being touted as a low side effect, relatively safe option, I guess the total MGs it adds to the cycle would still be building that kind of toxixity?

Anyone have any opinions on this? Perhaps remove the primo and run the test and npp alone at a slightly higher dose?

Blood work will tell you if getting toxic – this is the only way.

I would be tempted to say it may be the large amount of oil/metals and carrier ingredients going into the body as primo and NPP are usually low dosed gear.

Toxicity in general from a science standpoint is 2 fold

you have the total mg

you have the strength of the drug

for example 500test compared to 500 tren compared to 5mg methyl tren – toxicity differs vastly here.

dbol is more toxic/stronger than oxy mg for mg that’s why always came in 5mg tablets for hospitals yet oxy is 25-50mg I believe.

So many things to consider that mean your question is not possible to answer accurately.

what did your blood work say?

also how high was bodyweight over stage weight?

how high was BF?

what was blood pressure?

how much cardio?

what was sleep quality like?

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Shredabull or thermo 9mm

x 2

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