[Hilly]

Appreciate the response @Nathanstyles

Blood was drawn around 48 hours after my last pin, pin days are mon, wed, Fri and bloods done Monday morning and my oestradiol came back at 81.5 pmol/L.

Makes sense regarding the Primo and SHBG. My main priority is keeping this phase as health-focused as possible, so I’m definitely considering whether reducing the overall androgen load would be worthwhile rather than relying solely on cardio and diet to improve things.

I’m planning to bring body fat down into that 12–15% range with diet and a more functional approach to my training until the new year where I’ll go in to a long off season.

Would you personally look at reducing the Primo first, or bringing the Test down slightly as well, given the elevated free T? And would you prioritise getting SHBG and HDL moving in the right direction before considering anything else?

Would you personally look at reducing the Primo first, or bringing the Test down slightly as well, given the elevated free T? And would you prioritise getting SHBG and HDL moving in the right direction before considering anything else?

Thanks again for the advice mate.

Personally i would reduce the primo to 50mg however this would be depending on were E2 is but I cant see this on bloods.

for alot of my clients I now aim to run test only cruise phases as this brings health numbers back in line quicker and overall better, looking to daily micro dose to help control E2 better and if anything extra 25mg proviron daily with meal 1

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[Hilly]

Monday – Trained shoulders/chest.

5 meals in
12k steps

Training
1 arm cable laterals – x 8, x 8, x 14F, x 7f, x 12F with partials
shoulder press – 4 x 8 – nothing to true failure and all slow controlled reps to not aggravate shoulder
Standing lateral machine – 4 x 12-15F

Incline chest press – x 8, x 8, x 8, x 6F, x 10F, x 15F
Pec dec – x 10, x 10, x 10F
chest focused dips – x 15f, x 12F, x 8F.

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[Hilly]

Training for strength and muscle mass are 2 different things in essence and if your not Doing enough volume you can get stronger and not much bigger.

Also it can simply be a food issue. Your body can’t grow if your not eating enough but it can get stronger.

Lastly – are you training the muscle or the movements. 2 different things again

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For a health phase, not necessarily it’s TRT+ all AAS will affect HDL & SHBG – at 9 its low but as expected Primo drives SHBG down hard, and Test pushes it down too. That’s why your free T is above range even though your total sits comfortably in range. Low SHBG means you get more active hormone.

One thing I’d want to know, when was the blood drawn relative to your last pin? Also, you’ve not listed oestradiol?

HDL at 0.94 – Primo suppresses HDL and it’s dose dependent, and Test plus low SHBG add to it. 100mg is not unusual to see this on. Cardio and diet will help at the edges, but they won’t fully override it so context matters your LDL, total cholesterol and triglycerides are excellent. For the HDL itself zone 2 cardio, 2 to 3g Omega pharma pro and love heart but dont rely on the supps but they will assist.

Fat loss will help to here getting down to 12-15% BF

Rest of the panel is pretty solid

Mega post here and agree with all

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Fantastic post by Clare.

An injectable Glutothione from proforma for example is a total game changer IME for boosting immune system

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They should go over time yes bud.

Try lightly massaging with heat

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Sunday – rest day

12k steps

5 meals in

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Looks good, glad you are enjoying training

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Plan looks fine however do also agree with Allison that I would have some direct glute work in there

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This is very person dependant and there is no. Correct answer.

for me I like my cruise dose test level to be between 40-50 and I feel best when E2 is just above range – between 160-190 is a good spot for me.

Free test we want as high as possible in reality.
SHBG will for almost all be low and under range.

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firstly as Andy says what are you trying to achieve here – just maintain some testicular function and size or regain fertility ?

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Saturday – Rest day today.

10k steps
5 meals in – 1 of which is a free meal which is sushi from tesco, chicken and sweet potato fries

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Friday –
12k steps
5 meals in

Arms day today with delt top up

curl to head SS EZ bar PD – 5 x 10-15
EZ curls – 4 x 10
Oh tricep extension – 4 x 12
1 arm concentration curl – 3 x 10-12
1 arm Tricep Pd – 3 x 10-12

Seated side laters – 5 x 10-12

mad pump – workout felt very good indeed and defo growing.

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Everything is fine. I had an ECG that showed potential signs of left ventricular hypertrophy, but as they pointed out, I weigh 120 kg at only 180 cm tall—and I’m still lean enough to have visible striations in my glutes. I’m thinking of dropping down to 150 mg for about 3–4 months, and then potentially coming off completely; since I’m still quite young, there’s a chance my natural production might recover. Do you have any advice regarding post-cycle protocols, or should I just try coming off entirely?

Pct is coming off entirely bud.

Are you debating between pct n trt here or pct and off all ?

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Does seem a little low for 150mg Testosterone yes but every one responds differently so unless you have had better results on different labs in past labs then its hard to say if gear is the issue.

I would bump test to 200mg and let that play out and retest.

Thanks Peter, would you keep the primo at 50mg with the bump in test?

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Depends.

If you want E2 to hold as is then yes.

If you prefer it being a little higher then no

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