[Hilly]

Another rest day

Big walk this AM

Worked 8-12
Then out n abt all
Afternoon n night

5 meals will be had
3 shakes
2 solid with carbs

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[Hilly]

I do the same as Nath here – i dont pin my water based stuff were I put oil.

All my l carnitine etc goes in my ventro glute or pecs with slin pins.

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you wake up 8 times a night? if so i would be going to get a sleep study done

What’s a sleep study[/quote]
you go to the doctors and report you are waking up 8 times per night every night – they will then run a sleep study as this is really not normal at all and there could be an issue with sleep apnea etc

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[Hilly]

:)))

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[Hilly]

very hard to give advice here without knowing how you look now and how you will look at the end of the gaining phase.

ITs also very depending on your body type – do you get in shape easy? Have you legit been in shape before as these will play a huge factor in how long you diet and how much of the cycle time you spend dieting or growing.

If I had 33 weeks from the shoot and had never been legit lean lean before I would grow for 13 weeks and then start coming down at 20 weeks out with a diet break possibly at week 12 or 13 for 1-2 weeks. Progress depending of course.

I would look to run the cycle as follows

10-12 weeks growth
8-10 weeks TRT/cruise dose
13 weeks into shoot

Then off and PCT –

Again this is with knowing nothing about you or watching how it plays out – so makes it very very hard to give accurate/useful information from now to 33 weeks away

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So subq can be MWF still

I am with Nathan in that I find MWF more than sufficient for most unless blood work shows they are E2 sensitive and then I will switch to daily.

In terms of subq over IM – I did not notice any difference in terms of E2 control between IM or subQ personally on bloods but I did notice an increase in fee test levels from subq over IM so technically it was more effective that way.

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I always go with the advanced TRT check via medicheck if needing to order that way and i cant get to E-val

Thanks Hilly, what do you do about the no heavy exercise 48 hours prior to the blood test? My last two blood tests I trained the same morning as the test! [/quote]
Training the same day is a terrible thing to do lol

If you want an accurate read then resting for 48 Hours is pretty vital and why most suggest doing so.

in reality even 1 days rest may help but if tings come back out of line you wont know if you have an issue or if its just due to training so then you’ll have to pay to re do blood and rest more anyway

So makes sense to simply do the 2 days rest

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[Hilly]

Tuesday – No training

Out for a walk with Arilena looking and feeding squirrels this morning.
Big walk round park
Tennis
ten pin bowling
Pool

5 meals in – 3 shakes – 2 solid meals both with 45g carbs

All is good

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[Hilly]

Fully agree with the above also

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you wake up 8 times a night? if so i would be going to get a sleep study done

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if you have no taste at all and still feel poorly I would keep resting TBH

Then when back I would ease in – reduce volume to 50% and not hit true failure

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I would bring my kcal up to maintenance
I would rest from all training and stay indoors/warm as best you can.
Focus on hydration –
vitamin D3c-9000iu daily
Vitamin C – 6g daily

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[Hilly]

for those looking to simply be fit, work out hard and be in good shape then meal timing matters a fair bit less IMO and experience.

As Sas says as long as your getting in the nutrients you need to support training and recovery you will be fine.

There are many many people out there in awesome shape that are super fit that just just 1-2 times a day or sporadically over the day.

when I have clients with this sort of goals etc I tend to suggest the following.

Always have periods workout Nutriton – TBJP EAA pre workout and TBJP performance fuel during workouts – plus creatine.

then a set PWO shake than can be had easily and on the move.

We then fix macros or specific meals to be had over the day .

so your focused on supporting your workout period and recovery and then food comes as it suits

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Is 100 test and 500 nandrolone better than just 600 nandrolone then? When people say deca only but then most people on here are still using 100 test? Are there negatives of not adding in the low test?

better for who?

I know what is best with me as i have tried all ways and found what works best.

I know a fair few people that have run Deca only with superb results and not much sides.

I then know people that cant touch the stuff.

Then loads inbetween.

I found for me I felt better on doing what I said above.

In reality 600mg of just nandrolone or 100mg test and 500mg nandrolone on paper and in terms of progress is going to give very very similar results I imagine. The only real key factor to which is better is which you feel the best on

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Thanks Hilly!

Just to confirm, would the EQ be split and injected alongside my Test and Primo on Monday and Thursday?

yup

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