[Hilly]

Yeh I would personally use NPP.

Once you want to switch just switch like for like dose. Won’t have any real world effect imo.

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[Hilly]

Makes 0 difference pin your Gh while you eat doesn’t matter – takes a while for it to peak so food does not impact it at all

Fully agree here

Personally I don’t worry about gh around meals unless some one is using very very high doses

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[Hilly]

Saturday – rest day

2 x 20 min dog walks

4 meals in

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If it’s real you should really notice

Increased pumps
Increased strength
Scale increase of a couple lb minimum IME.

It’s a very strong and obvious drug if that makes sense

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[Hilly]

Friday- rest day

2 x 20
Min dog walks

4 meals in

Out with the boys for a couple drinks tonight

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[Hilly]

im with nath here – I wouldnt look to design a specific split for the weaker bodypart but prioritise chest in a normal workout.

So if you run PPL for example – make Push sessions start with all chest work.
If upper/lower then start upper session with chest.

Then focus on execution and using exercises you truly feel hit your chest the most.

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[Hilly]

123kg is a pretty heavy weight – I would look at dropping some over weight. You pull 6-10kg off and I would imagine that BP drops nicely

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Guys, what’s your opinion on Reta during building phase? Small dose to help insulin sensitivity and nutrient partitioning?

Jordan is a fan and im sure Nathan is using it to with success. For me the flowering of Gastric transit would cause issues so I would not use but I defo see merit for it for sure.

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[Hilly]

Take the beef out and replace with whatever protein source, then continue on your diet. If you begin to drop weight too quickly, add in some more carbs. It won’t ‘mess’ you up.

Fully agree

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[Hilly]

Agree with both of the above – Adex will work if its a high E2 issue for sure.

However whats the cycle to be? Are you in general prone to gyno ? Why not design the cycle to be more E2 lowering

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Interesting review, thank you for this and defo what I have seen with clients and I fully agree with opinion on dosing etc. It blows my mind seeing some aggressive protocol recommendations going up to 8/9mg per week.

I would be very interested to find out if the improvement in LDL stays once you come off for a period of time so please update us/me if you can. I also still think thats a decent drop – yes you will of wanted more and I would to but 4.38 is still way better than 5.49. Do you take anything else to try and reduce this ? Tried other supplements

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[Hilly]

I dont feel that they would cause the CNS change and more than likely thats just a super man feeling that now makes everything else feel a little off and worse. That would be my guess.

However ive never ran both in an off season setting and only ever very last stages of prep so I cant say for sure. I guess it may be possible.

After that combo I would of defo recommended a decent break/cruise period tho

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[Hilly]

thursday – Training day – back/chest

2 x 20 minute dog walks

Knee is better again thankfully

Training

Cable pull over – 3 x 8
Overhand pull downs – 3 x 8
Seated row – 3 x 6-8
1 arm HS PD – 3 x 6-8
1 arm lat focused row – 2 x 15

Pec dec – 3 x 10
Chest press – 3 x 6-8
Dips – 3 x 12-15

Good workout – Strength was down a touch after being off gym for 9-10 days but decent workout

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[Hilly]

If your taking it to aid in the gym sessions and getting these issues then I personally would not bother using it, its not something I have ever thought enough merit to bother with pre workout

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[Hilly]

Thank you Meg and Hilly! As I will be looking to end this push not far out of shape from where I would like to start the next one, those methods for assessing when and how long to pull back for will be very useful.

Just out of curiosity, if a push phase was to end in condition such that you needed a good chunk of time (8-12 + wks) to get back into reasonable shape to start another push from, would you just run cruise doses for this duration since your primary goal is now fat loss? If not, how much would you elevate them from baseline relative to peak offseason? and would you be then cruising after fat loss phase is over in the case that they were elevated, or just transition back to offseason dose as you reverse calories and push back up?

thank you!

In general I would get most of the fat off while cruising yes – however this is person and situation depending. How much muscle they carry, how the cut goes etc etc

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